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Clinton vs. Trump Popular Vote: Are There Still Uncounted Ballots?

NEWARK, NJ - JUNE 01: Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Clinton speaks at a rally on June 1, 2016 in Newark, New Jersey. Clinton will head back to California tomorrow where she is in a tight race with Democratic challenger Sen. Bernie Sanders (D-VT). (Photo by Spencer Platt/Getty Images)

Hillary Clinton leads the popular vote. (Getty)

There are millions of ballots that haven’t been counted yet from the 2016 presidential election.

How many?

The New York Times estimated on November 12 that there are 7 million uncounted ballots in the country.

The uncounted votes aren’t going to change the final outcome of the election (they’re not clustered in swing states) but, because millions are in the blue state of California, they could increase Hillary Clinton’s popular vote totals to historic dimensions. Around the country, various state races and issues – such as marijuana legalization propositions and the North Carolina governor’s race – could be affected. Clinton could come closer to Barack Obama’s overall 2012 popular vote total.

On November 10, two days after the election, The Los Angeles Times reported that California still had not counted 4 million ballots, a number expected to grow.

Donald Trump’s large lead in the Electoral College (he leads 290 to 228) reduces the chances of post-election ballot skirmishes.

Clinton won the popular vote in already counted ballots. As of November 13, the AP was reporting these popular vote totals:

Donald Trump 60,350,241 (47.3%)
Hillary Clinton 60,981,118 (47.79%)
That’s a difference of 630,877 votes.

The New York Times has each candidate with slightly fewer votes. Clinton already has the fourth highest popular vote total in American history and could move to third place after the uncounted ballots are tallied, a historic achievement. Trump’s margin is slightly lower than Mitt Romney’s, but may exceed it after uncounted ballots are tallied, propelling him to the highest Republican popular vote total in history. (See a state-by-state popular vote list here.)

For comparison purposes:

2012, according to 270toWin
Barack Obama 65,446,032
Mitt Romney 60,589,084

2008, per 270toWin
Barack Obama 69,456,897
John McCain 59,934,814

2004, per 270toWin
George W. Bush 62,039,073
John Kerry 59,027,478

(See the end of this article for more historic popular vote totals).

Some argue that the 2016 uncounted ballots will increase Clinton’s margin in the popular vote by a lot. The Huffington Post says Clinton’s margin of victory in the popular vote is expected to be larger than the margin “Richard Nixon had over Hubert Humphrey in 1968 or John F. Kennedy had over Nixon in 1960. Her edge is also larger than Al Gore’s popular vote victory over George W. Bush in 2000…”

When all ballots are counted, says The New York Times, she’s likely to lead the popular vote by 2 million votes and more than 1.5 percentage points. Despite the popular vote edge, the Times argued that Democrats need to find a way to appeal to Midwestern white working class voters who split for Trump, giving him an Electoral College victory that was not deep (the margins were small in multiple key states) but was wide.

The Huffington Post argues that high popular vote tallies reduce a Donald Trump mandate and fuel efforts to get rid of the Electoral College, which was designed so that a few populous areas don’t determine every election but, rather, that candidates must compete for the hearts of minds of Americans in every state. Millions of people have signed a petition calling on electors to switch to Hillary Clinton when the Electoral College votes in December, even if their states bind them to Trump. This is called the “Faithless Elector” scenario, although it’s highly unlikely.

AL.com says four other candidates in American history have won the popular vote but not the presidency: Gore; Andrew Jackson in 1824; Samuel Tilden in 1876; and Grover Cleveland in 1888.

See the most recent unprocessed ballot report from the California Secretary of State.

Absentee ballots just have to be postmarked by election day in California; they don’t have to be received by that day to still be counted. Provisional ballots also needed counting. Since Hillary Clinton had a 29% lead over Donald Trump in California, the uncounted ballots would likely add to her popular vote total, said The Los Angeles Times. Vote tallies for California show Clinton with 5,931,283 votes in California compared to 3,184,721 for Donald Trump.

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Hillary Clinton claps at the “Hillary Clinton: She’s With Us” concert on June 6. (Getty)

Not everyone thinks that uncounted ballots only help Clinton. American Thinker argues: “absentee ballots in some states favor Republicans because they are often military ballots as well as “businesspeople away on trips.”

Uncounted ballots won’t change the presidency, but they could affect some statewide ballot measures and local races. As of November 10, Arizona still had over 600,000 uncounted ballots (which may be one reason the Associated Press waited until that day to call the state for Trump.) That could affect the ballot measure to legalize marijuana, which was losing by 4 percentage points.

The Atlantic wrote a lengthy article repudiating the below chart by arguing that Clinton’s turnout was sure to grow as the remaining ballots are counted.

Reported the Atlantic, “State officials are still counting millions of provisional and absentee ballots, and within two weeks, Clinton will likely have another few million votes in the bank.”

The Atlantic said most were cast in California, Washington, and New York, meaning the effect of uncounted ballots will likely be to boost Clinton’s lead in the popular vote, not alter the Electoral College outcome that gave Trump the presidency.

In North Carolina, the day after election day, there were 26,600 provisional ballots left to count, not enough to switch the presidential results, but enough to affect a tight governor’s race, said the Associated Press. The Republican Gov. Pat McCrory was behind Democratic Attorney General Roy Cooper by about 5,000 votes, said the AP. Cooper declared victory, but Republicans argue it’s premature and have filed a complaint demanding a recount of ballots after it was revealed that 90,000 were counted by hand.

In Utah, which Trump won easily, there remained 153,000 uncounted ballots as of the evening after the election.

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On January 20, Barack Obama (r) will hand the nuclear launch codes to new President Donald Trump (l). (Getty)

Maine was still processing 4,500 absentee ballots after the election. Ballot measures on marijuana legalization and educational tax revenue remained undecided a result, said The Press Herald.

In Michigan, which Trump won by only about 13,000 votes, the Secretary of State’s office told Heavy all ballots have been counted. The results will now go through a canvassing process. The AP has not yet called Michigan for Trump because of the tight margin.

Here are some other historic vote totals, from 270toWin:

2000
George W. Bush 50,456,062
Al Gore 50,996,582

1996
Bill Clinton 45,590,703
Bob Dole 37,816,307

1992
Bill Clinton 44,908,254
George Bush 39,102,343

1988
George Bush 47,946,000
Michael Dukakis 41,016,000

1984
Ronald Reagan 54,455,000
Walter Mondale 37,577,000

1980
Ronald Reagan 43,901,812
Jimmy Carter 35,483,820

You can see electoral vote and popular vote data for more historic elections here.

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137 comments

  1. Fortunately, it would take an amendment to the Constitution to do away with or alter the Electoral College and as long as you have RED states with COMMON SENSE you will NEVER obtain the 2/3rds majority required for the change. PRAISE the LORD!

    • Yes. What’s more. So many of the HRC votes are illegals, and Cali has turned b/c of that influence as well as legal immigrant influence. People still cannot listen to CNN or MSM. They will try to spin as much as they can to continue to influence people. Evil is hard at work, and this is the same evil that has brought this nation into such wretched, messed up state.

  2. We will never really know who won the popular vote (as if it matters) due to the uncounted absentee ballots. The contention that these would favor clinton because there are so many from California is dubious at best. historically these have broken 2 to 1 for the republicans because so many are from members of the US military.

  3. Can someone please start publishing a daily tally of the latest popular presidential vote until this is over? Where is a trustworthy link to find that out? I just saw some fellow claim that Hillary Clinton had over two million votes more than Trump. Fox News’ account on Election Day was excellent, why can’t that be continued until 100% of everything sees the light? Then there are those that claim that Trump actually won the popular vote too. Last time I looked, the Hillary popular vote was less than 0.5% higher than Trump’s. Maybe some actual facts will help cry babies retreat in embarrassment, and possibly they will even go to class.

      • Thank God for the electoral college. Just like the 2000 election, even if Hillary holds less than 1% lead, I guarantee that there were enough votes cast by non citizens that Trump actually will receive more legal votes than the liberal reprobate. That is because democrats are willing to cheat and lie to achieve their goals. They will all gather at the wide gate with all the other garbage and filth.

  4. Who would ever believe anything from ABC, CBS, CNN, or any of the biased liberal media. 60 minutes was a joke last night! All this racist crap is b******t! Why didn’t they show black girl beating white girl because her family voted for Trump! No they won’t show both sides. Obama created all this racial divide and now we need to fix it!

  5. This ain’t no union election.I don’t care how many border jumpers,BLM marchers,LGBT’ers,EBT’ers,alleged educators come out to vote in blue states.Hillary Clinton’s not getting that part.Trump’s gonna run her out of the business.

  6. Without California and illegal votes and prison votes Clinton would never had the popular vote. California is the only reason she has popular vote. Without the Electoral College 3 States would choose our President every 4 years the rest of the States would have no say.

  7. 15% to 25% of illegal aliens vote depending on what state and area they live in , Hillary got about 600,000 illegal votes in California alone. If you take away all the illegal votes across this country she did not even come close to winning the popular vote. If we go to the sign in sheet in all the states like mine that are voter ID we can find out who’s votes count and who’s do.

    • You are nuts illegals cant vote. Even true Americans are not able to vote due to voter suppression . Republicans suppressed old, young and poor people from voting. Wonder what planet you people are from. I had to register and show my identification then on the voting day I had to show my Drivers License. Also this will be the most crooked administration ever his children are going to run his business and be advisers at the White House, now lets really talk about pay for play. You have opened the door to the real crooks and its just begun. They went nuts about Hillary and her charity, she also showed her tax returns and he didn’t what does that tell you.

      • Want to know how easy it is for you to vote In NY I was specifically told to put away my drivers licence when I walked in to vote they asked me my name checked their file and I wasn’t there and was pushed to the next table where my name was on her sheet. But the books they are looking at were printed months ago how many people die in the US a day look at the local paper and check the obits then walk in tell them one of those names you than have a signature card and right next to it is what it should look like make it look similar and you are handed a ballot. go 2 miles away and vote in the next district and than even return later that night with a different name Voter fraud is easy yes it is a crime but so is crossing the border undocumented its only a problem if you get caught RIGHT?

      • Wow — one can’t open a bank account, board a plane, enter a Federal building, get a loan, cash a check, or close a loan with identification. Voter suppression, my ass. What planet are YOU from, moron.

      • Wrong Rose. In CA illegals are allowed driver’s licenses – no id necessary – Then the Gov. passed a law that when you get a driver’s license unless you indicate you are not authorized to vote you are automatically registered. When you vote no id need be presented- so what do you think Rose? In addition multiple states had judges rule no id is necessary when voting – and as one judge stated – it is inevitable that illegals will vote, but the fact that legal citizens might not get the chance to vote otherwise overrides this.

  8. “Make this country great again, Together stronger”. Trump won, Hillary didn’t, move on. There will always be a winner and there will always be a loser. Stand by the elected President, stand by your country, and stand by each other. The news needs to show all the positive that is out there and stop swaying the HATE with all the negative they share. We are a nation with choices and the choice of “Make this country great again, Together stronger” should be our choice now. When you combine the 2 slogans together, we have a beautiful outcome!!!!

  9. Gee..you mean the vote totals increase almost with every election? AMAZING that as our population increase by several million every 4 years that there would be more VOTERS!

  10. What does it matter? We know the liberal media is a bunch of liars so I would and could not care what they say for it is only a BIG LIE so the Liberals can again cause division. HA you DAMN LIBERALS YOU LOST!! GET OVER IT!! The president of the United States is President Donald Trump Period. My question does California have a bunch of stonies hand counting the votes for a state that as Silcon Valley it surprises me they can not certify a vote count just amazes me. I would have to say SORE LOSERS!!! LOL!!

  11. Greg Phillips of VoteFraud.org claims that Trump would have won the election by a huge landslide if the widespread vote fraud had been stamped out ahead of the election.

    “We have verified more than three million votes cast by non-citizens,” he tweeted, after confirming that the group had extensively analysed a database of 180 million voter registrations.

    • CORRECT!! They have over 4,683,000 million votes that were already dismissed because they were double votes, illegal votes and ineligible voters. So I would say Trump won the Popular vote by over 6 million votes largest in the history of voting in United States history. It was a landslide popular vote for Trump.

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  12. Not even going to point out that absentee ballots are historically 67% Republican and only 33% dem?

    Nah, why would you welcome facts? The facts are not in YOUR favor.