James Damore: 5 Fast Facts You Need to Know

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Harvard University/Getty James Damore has been fired by Google after an internal memo he wrote about its diversity policies was leaked online.

Google has fired an employee who authored an internal memo, which leaked online, criticizing the tech giant’s diversity policies, Bloomberg reports.

James Damore attacked Google’s “politically correct monoculture” in the memo titled “Google’s Ideological Echo Chamber.” It has been published online in full by Motherboard, which first reported on the document, and by Gizmodo.

“We are unequivocal in our belief that diversity and inclusion are critical to our success as a company,” Danielle Brown, Google’s Vice President of Diversity, Integrity & Governance, wrote in a memo responding to Damore’s document, Motherboard reports. “Part of building an open, inclusive environment means fostering a culture in which those with alternative views, including different political views, feel safe sharing their opinions. But that discourse needs to work alongside the principles of equal employment found in our Code of Conduct, policies, and anti-discrimination laws.”

The memo went “viral internally” at Google, according to Motherboard, and many current and former employees spoke out against it on social media after it was made public. But sources told Motherboard there was at least some agreement to the author’s viewpoints from some Google employees. And his memo quickly caught the attention of conservatives, especially in the alt-right, who have rallied around him, with many seeing his treatment by Google as reinforcement that their views are not accepted by Google’s leadership. In June, a shareholder asked at a meeting if conservatives would be accepted at the company.

“The company was founded under the principles of freedom of expression, diversity, inclusiveness and science-based thinking,” Alphabet Chairman Eric Schmidt said at the time, according to Bloomberg. “You’ll also find that all of the other companies in our industry agree with us.”

Here’s what you need to know about Damore, the memo and his firing:


1. James Damore Accused Google of Silencing Conservative Opinions & Argued Biological Differences Play a Role in the Shortage of Women in Tech

In the 10-page, 3,300-word manifesto, which can be read in full here, James Damore accuses Google of silencing Conservative opinions and argues that biological differences play a role in the shortage of women in tech, among other points.

“Google’s political bias has equated the freedom from offense with psychological safety, but shaming into silence is the antithesis of psychological safety,” he wrote in his TL;DR section of the memo. “This silencing has created an ideological echo chamber where some ideas are too sacred to be honestly discussed. The lack of discussion fosters the most extreme and authoritarian elements of this ideology.”

He added, “Differences in distributions of traits between men and women may in part explain why we don’t have 50% representation of women in tech and leadership. Discrimination to reach equal representation is unfair, divisive, and bad for business.”

In a section seemingly added after the original document was posted, Damore wrote:

I value diversity and inclusion, am not denying that sexism exists, and don’t endorse using stereotypes. When addressing the gap in representation in the population, we need to look at population level differences in distributions. If we can’t have an honest discussion about this, then we can never truly solve the problem. Psychological safety is built on mutual respect and acceptance, but unfortunately our culture of shaming and misrepresentation is disrespectful and unaccepting of anyone outside its echo chamber. Despite what the public response seems to have been, I’ve gotten many personal messages from fellow Googlers expressing their gratitude for bringing up these very important issues which they agree with but would never have the courage to say or defend because of our shaming culture and the possibility of being fired. This needs to change.

Damore argues that the focus on race and gender bias has led to Google ignoring a diversity of ideas.

“At Google, we talk so much about unconscious bias as it applies to race and gender, but we rarely discuss our moral biases,” he wrote. “Political orientation is actually a result of deep moral preferences and thus biases. Considering that the overwhelming majority of the social sciences, media, and Google lean left, we should critically examine these prejudices.”

He wrote that neither side is 100 percent correct, but he believes Google leans too far left.

“Only facts and reason can shed light on these biases, but when it comes to diversity and inclusion, Google’s left bias has created a politically correct monoculture that maintains its hold by shaming dissenters into silence. This silence removes any checks against encroaching extremist and authoritarian policies,” he wrote. “For the rest of this document, I’ll concentrate on the extreme stance that all differences in outcome are due to differential treatment and the authoritarian element that’s required to actually discriminate to create equal representation.”

He goes on to argue that the left-bias of Google is causing it to miss what he believes are personality differences between men and women that cause the gender gap in tech:

Openness directed towards feelings and aesthetics rather than ideas. Women generally also have a stronger interest in people rather than things, relative to men (also interpreted as empathizing vs. systemizing).

These two differences in part explain why women relatively prefer jobs in social or artistic areas. More men may like coding because it requires systemizing and even within SWEs, comparatively more women work on front end, which deals with both people and aesthetics, saying women on average have more.

Extraversion expressed as gregariousness rather than assertiveness. Also, higher agreeableness.
This leads to women generally having a harder time negotiating salary, asking for raises, speaking up, and leading. Note that these are just average differences and there’s overlap between men and women, but this is seen solely as a women’s issue. This leads to exclusory programs like Stretch and swaths of men without support.

Neuroticism (higher anxiety, lower stress tolerance).This may contribute to the higher levels of anxiety women report on Googlegeist and to the lower number of women in high stress jobs.

He also wrote that men have a “higher drive for status,” saying, “We always ask why we don’t see women in top leadership positions, but we never ask why we see so many men in these jobs. These positions often require long, stressful hours that may not be worth it if you want a balanced and fulfilling life. Status is the primary metric that men are judged on, pushing many men into these higher paying, less satisfying jobs for the status that they entail.”

He said in his conclusion, “I hope it’s clear that I’m not saying that diversity is bad, that Google or society is 100% fair, that we shouldn’t try to correct for existing biases, or that minorities have the same experience of those in the majority. My larger point is that we have an intolerance for ideas and evidence that don’t fit a certain ideology. I’m also not saying that we should restrict people to certain gender roles; I’m advocating for quite the opposite: treat people as individuals, not as just another member of their group (tribalism).”

He suggested Google do the following: De-moralize diversity; stop alienating conservatives; confront its biases; stop restricting programs and classes to certain genders or races; have an open and honest discussion about the costs and benefits of its diversity programs; focus on psychological safety, not just race/gender diversity; de-emphasize empathy; prioritize intention; be open about the science of human nature; and reconsider making Unconscious Bias training mandatory for promo committees.


2. Damore Spoke Out for the First Time on Tuesday in an Interview With a Libertarian Author, Sayinga Diversity Program Triggered His Memo

James Damore spoke out for the first time on Tuesday, August 8, in an interview on YouTube with Libertarian author and podcaster Stefan Molyneux, who had come to Damore’s defense in a lengthy YouTube video before the Google employee was fired. In the 45-minute interview, Damore said he wrote the memo on a 12-hour flight to China after he attended a diversity program at Google.

“I heard things that I definitely disagreed with,” he told Molyneux. He said there was a lot of shaming at the program. They said “‘no you can’t say that, that’s sexist … ‘You can’t do this.’ … There’s just so much hypocrisy in a lot of the things that they’re saying.”

He told Molyneux he felt “isolated” by Google’s “liberal” culture.

“I really thought it was a problem Google itself had to fix. Hopefully they do,” he said.

Damore told Bloomberg he was fired for “perpetuating gender stereotypes.” Google has not commented about his dismissal.

Damore told the New York Times’ Daisuke Wakabayashi he will likely take legal action against Google. He said he believes the company acted illegally by firing him.

“I have a legal right to express my concerns about the terms and conditions of my working environment and to bring up potentially illegal behavior, which is what my document does,” Damore told the New York Times. He said he wrote the memo to start an “honest discussion” about what he believes to be Google’s intolerance for ideas that don’t fit into its left-leaning biases, according to the Times.

Damore told the Times he submitted a complaint to the National Labor Relations Board before he was fired, claiming Google’s upper management was “misrepresenting and shaming me in order to silence my complaints.” He said it is “illegal to retaliate” against a complaint made to the NLRB.

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James Damore.

A fund has been set up by the website WeSearchr to help in his legal fight as part of the alt-right’s efforts to fight back against Damore’s firing and the reaction to the memo.

“The radical Left has been whipping up hate mobs to get independents, libertarians, conservatives, and simple contrarians publicly shamed, bullied, and fired from their jobs for years,” WeSearchr wrote Monday. “Now they’re attacking a man for honestly, wisely, and politely expressing his opinions to his colleagues. And they’ve gotten him fired. We can’t let James Damore be bullied like this without a fight. When the Left gets someone fired, it’s our duty to get that person back up on their feet and stronger and more secure than ever. If we don’t, then we’re next.”

Damore also has a couple job offers to consider. One offer came from Gab, a company founded in 2016 that says it is “an ad-free social network for creators who believe in free speech, individual liberty, and the free flow of information online.” It has become popular among those in the alt right, including some who have been banned from Twitter.

https://twitter.com/getongab/status/893975352804028417

And Wikileaks’ Julian Assange tweeted Tuesday, “Censorship is for losers. @WikiLeaks is offering a job to fired Google engineer James Damore.”


3. Google’s CEO Said Parts of the Memo ‘Violate Our Code of Conduct & Cross the Line by Advancing Harmful Gender Stereotypes’

On Monday, two days after the document was reported on for the first time, Google CEO Sundar Pichai sent an email to employees saying that parts of the memo “violate our Code of Conduct and cross the line by advancing harmful gender stereotypes in our workplace,” Bloomberg reported. He did not specifically say that Google was taking action against the employee, and did not identify him, but Damore confirmed to Bloomberg that he had been fired.

ReCode first obtained Pichai’s memo, which had the subject, “Our words matter.” He wrote:

First, let me say that we strongly support the right of Googlers to express themselves, and much of what was in that memo is fair to debate, regardless of whether a vast majority of Googlers disagree with it. However, portions of the memo violate our Code of Conduct and cross the line by advancing harmful gender stereotypes in our workplace. Our job is to build great products for users that make a difference in their lives. To suggest a group of our colleagues have traits that make them less biologically suited to that work is offensive and not OK. It is contrary to our basic values and our Code of Conduct, which expects ‘each Googler to do their utmost to create a workplace culture that is free of harassment, intimidation, bias and unlawful discrimination.’

He added, “The memo has clearly impacted our co-workers, some of whom are hurting and feel judged based on their gender. Our co-workers shouldn’t have to worry that each time they open their mouths to speak in a meeting, they have to prove that they are not like the memo states, being ‘agreeable’ rather than ‘assertive,’ showing a ‘lower stress tolerance,’ or being ‘neurotic.'”

Pichai added that Google employees who are questioning whether they can express their opinions might also fall into a minority group.

“They too feel under threat, and that’s not OK,” he wrote. “People must feel free to express dissent.”

You can read the full memo here. Pichai cut short his vacation as a result of Damore’s memo.

“I have been on work related travel in Africa and Europe the past couple of weeks and had just started my family vacation here this week. I have decided to return tomorrow as clearly there’s a lot more to discuss as a group—including how we create a more inclusive environment for all,” he wrote.

While Damore has been embraced by the far right, he has been demonized by the left and many at Google and in the tech world have also lashed out at his views and the reaction to them.

Susan Fowler, an ex-Uber employee who spoke out about sexism in the tech world in February, wrote on Twitter about the reaction:

According to Motherboard, one employee, software engineer Jaana Dogan, wrote on Twitter on Saturday in now-deleted tweets, “If HR does nothing in this case, I will consider leaving this company for real for the first time in five years.”

Another employee told Motherboard, “The broader context of this is that this person is perhaps bolder than most of the people at Google who share his viewpoint—of thinking women are less qualified than men—to the point he was willing to publicly argue for it. But there are sadly more people like him. … It’s not worth thinking about this as an isolated incident and instead a manifestation of what ails all of Silicon Valley.”

Yonatan Zungar, who recently left Google, wrote a lengthy Medium post responding to the memo:

What you just did was incredibly stupid and harmful. You just put out a manifesto inside the company arguing that some large fraction of your colleagues are at root not good enough to do their jobs, and that they’re only being kept in their jobs because of some political ideas. And worse than simply thinking these things or saying them in private, you’ve said them in a way that’s tried to legitimize this kind of thing across the company, causing other people to get up and say “wait, is that right?”

I need to be very clear here: not only was nearly everything you said in that document wrong, the fact that you did that has caused significant harm to people across this company, and to the company’s entire ability to function. And being aware of that kind of consequence is also part of your job, as in fact it would be at pretty much any other job. I am no longer even at the company and I’ve had to spend half of the past day talking to people and cleaning up the mess you’ve made. I can’t even imagine how much time and emotional energy has been sunk into this, not to mention reputational harm more broadly.

And as for its impact on you: Do you understand that at this point, I could not in good conscience assign anyone to work with you? I certainly couldn’t assign any women to deal with this, a good number of the people you might have to work with may simply punch you in the face, and even if there were a group of like-minded individuals I could put you with, nobody would be able to collaborate with them. You have just created a textbook hostile workplace environment.

A former engineering employee told the website, “I feel like there’s a lot of pushback from white dudes who genuinely feel like diversity is lowering the bar.”

Ari Balogh, Google’s VP of engineering, wrote in an internal memo obtained by Business Insider that “questioning our assumptions and sharing different perspectives,” is an important part of Google’s culture, but stereotypes and harmful assumptions are not.

“One of the aspects of the post that troubled me deeply was the bias inherent in suggesting that most women, or men, feel or act a certain way. That is stereotyping, and it is harmful,” Balogh wrote in the memo.


4. Damore, a Chess Champion as a Child, Graduated in the Top 3 Percent of His Class at the University of Illinois & Has Pursued a Ph.D. From Harvard

Damore is an Illinois native who graduated from the Illinois Mathematics and Science Academy in 2007, according to his Facebook page. As a child, Damore was a chess champion, earning the FIDE Master title, putting him in the >99th percentile, according to his CV. He won regional tournaments in 2004, 2005, 2006 and 2007, and finished second in the Nation Youth Action 2003 Chess Tournament. He was also the highest ranked player in the world in the video game Rise of Nations in 2004.

He then went on to the University of Illinois, where he graduated in 2010 in the top 3 percent of his class with a degree in molecular and cellular biology, according to his CV. He graduated as a James Scholar and was given the Bronze Tablet, the highest awards given to graduates, he said.

Damore also pursued his Ph.D. in systems biology from Harvard University in from 2011 to 2013, according to his Linkedin profile. He is listed in the alumni section of the Harvard Systems Biology Ph.D. program, but Harvard told Wired that Damore did not complete his Ph.D. He did complete a master’s degree in systems biology in 2013, Harvard told Wired.

He has often shared his thoughts and philosophies about life on Facebook, with a seemingly sarcastic tone.

In November 2013 he wrote a Facebook post titled the “Efficient Guide to Effciency,” saying:

This guide is written under the premise that if you’re not brushing your teeth, going to the bathroom, answering emails, and doing yoga all at the same time every morning, you’re wasting your life. And that “proper” paragraphs are inefficient.

Sprint everywhere

Don’t think that just because you’re sprinting you can’t be eating breakfast.

Oats. The epitome of efficiency.
Also, the extra fiber will help shave your bowel movements to seconds

I fulfill my daily sleeping requirements by entering a deep REM state for a tenth of a second every time I blink. Alternatively, memorize your surroundings and sleep while sprinting everywhere.

Start all phone conversations with “Talk to me.” End all real life conversations by sprinting away without time-wasting pleasantries like “bye,” or the vapid waste of another precious syllable in “goodbye.”

I try not to interact with other people, but when I do I keep to a minimum of three conversations at once: two spoken languages and sign language. I am tempted to recommend quadrupling up by learning sign language with your feet, but most conversations will be held right before or while you’re sprinting so that’s out.

Be constantly sprinting

Find it hard to concentrate on more than one thing at a time? Tired of being constantly distracted by things you hear or see on your left and right? Cut your corpus callosum and become two people, doubling your efficiency!

Sometimes it surprises me how traditional people are. Times are changing, this is the 21st century for God’s sake. Get your cranial implants already! As soon as they were tested on mice, I got myself five and haven’t wasted any more of my life without a wireless connection in my brain.

I can’t even remember what it was like before my cranial implants. I’m serious, I can’t remember. I think something went wrong during the operation in my garage. My first memory is waking up (I had apparently just blinked) in the middle of a six way conversation in four languages, sprinting to nowhere. I was halfway through downloading the internet into my brain and my need for gratuitous multitasking was insatiable. My life is a blur. Sometimes I wonder whether I’m the left half or right half of this brain that I share…

Don’t waste your time with real conclusions to your posts.

Also that month he wrote about getting your money worth at a buffet:

The mere existence of all you can eat buffets proves that people don’t know how to get their money’s worth. As someone who has eaten way more than he should have on more occasions than his stubby sausage fingers can count, I’ll elaborate on my system:

The 12 Stages of Getting Your Money’s Worth at a Buffet:
1. You “feel” full
2. You “feel” sick
3. Food loses its taste
4. It becomes harder to breathe
5. Your heartbeat and breathing slow down
6. You begin to enter a stage of general numbness
7. Temporary blindness and paralysis set in
8. You lose the ability to think or make any meaningful sounds
9. You pass out
10. Your esophagus fills, making it nearly impossible to feed you while you sleep
11. Your assistant must get you upright (the hard part) and push food down your throat using a pressurized device
12. Your assistant drags you out the back to avoid paying

Common Pitfalls:
1. Ordering a drink. Why pay a buck extra for something that will lose its taste a fourth of the way through?
2. Deciding to leave. As mentioned above, if you have the mental (much less physical) ability to decide to leave, it’s way too early.
3. Going with a group of friends. Friends just slow you down; all they want to do is talk and then leave after a couple hours. Plus, who needs friends when you can have all you can eat?!

Some Tips and Tricks:Getting your money’s worth is fun!Getting your money’s worth is fun!
1. Bring a date to a buffet. One of the best ways to find out if you’ve found the right girl is to bring her to a buffet. If she gets a bowl of salad, eats half of it and then starts complaining, you have a dud. If however, she teases you, the hopeful master, for not getting your money’s worth, then you got yourself a keeper.
2. Consciously eat the most expensive food possible. Don’t waste your time and money on undercooked bread that will just expand in your stomach!
3. If I feel like I’m about to pass out, I start pre-chewing a couple plates of food, and then when I do lose consciousness, it’ll be that much easier for whoever’s with me to feed me.
4. Once you’ve accumulated enough street rep, you should really look into getting sponsored. You can get paid for just wearing a company’s logo—who wouldn’t trust the food opinion of a man that could (and occasionally does) eat a horse in one sitting? The best part is that the more you eat, the more ads that you can fit on your body!

He is also an artist, drawing numerous charcoal sketches that he has posted to his Facebook page.


5. He Started Working at Google in 2013 After Time Spent as a Researcher at Princeton, Harvard & MIT

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James Damore pictured while at Google.

Damore started at Google as software engineering intern from May 2013 to August 2013, according to his Linkedin profile. He then was hired by the company full time in December 2013, working in the company’s Mountain View office.

“Flying home tonight and starting at Google in two weeks, so excited,” he wrote on Facebook. Damore worked on infrastructure for Google’s search product, according to the New York Times.

Before working at Google, Damore was a researcher at Princeton, Harvard and MIT, according to his CV and Linkedin profile.

He published two research papers while working at Jeff Gore’s biophysics laboratory at MIT in 2011 and 2012: “Understanding microbial cooperation” and “A slowly evolving host moves first in symbiotic interactions.”

He says that he has “Senior or graduate level knowledge of biology, physics, chemistry, mathematics, game theory, and computer programming.”

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281 Comments

George Schmidt

So, it may be wrong to discriminate on the basis of gender, but who would argue against the fact that, on average, men are different from women, personality-wise>? Oh, yeah, the Liberals who believe we are all mid-gender. Sure there is a lot of overlap on personality traits, which is why men who are more empathetic and sensitive usually don’t have those powerful positions anyway. It has NOTHING to do with gender! Has anyone read Men are from Mars, Women from Venus? (A book which would probably be banned if published today, since it says women’s personalities are different from men’s.”) HEY, we’re DIFFERENT! That’s a GOOD thing, and we complement each other, rejoice in it!

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Thomas Paine

This is hilarious. He graduated in the top 3% of his class which translates to the top .1% at Google. They figuratively fired one of to top 5 smartest guys at Google. It’s no surprise that people got worked up about it at Google. They are intellectually inferior to him and they know it. Stamping their feet like little children and demanding no fair to the demi-god in their midst.

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Warm Potato

There’s a typo at point 2, it says:
“a Libertarian Author, Sayinga Diversity Program ”
There needs to be a space between “Saying” & “a”

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Dan

LOL
– flunks basic knowledge of kindergarten social skills (doesn’t play well with others)
– thought Google was a debating society rather than a business that has the right to fire disruptive employees
– doesn’t realize women are cool and should be attracted, not pushed away
– doesn’t realize people don’t like having their dignity besmirched
– doesn’t realize that human interactions, including work groups, aren’t like an engineering problem with a single correct or even a range of correct solutions that can be solved using a priori data
– Doesn’t realize how unattractive grumpiness is.

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Pablopebbles

A stem dude who thinks he knows psychology better than the psychologists.
Sighhhh
Also really impressed with his Wikipedia citations, given the masters level work he has done. If you’re going to risk your career, come strong with some Web of Science database articles. Really.

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Oh

He is a master gamer. Yes, that’s right. Life crept up and bit him. Self doubt crept in. What ? There are women smarter than me. Can’t be. No.1. Go back to one sided research supporting my superiority.

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orthotox

Some are disputing his chess bona fides. Could be a check if he exaggerated. Could be checkmate if he lied. Hope not! (.Liberals hate chess anyway.- it’s the great divider.)

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Jeremy Bonington-Jagworth

To see just how far lefty-“liberal” Google is, try Googling (it’s OK in this case, it’s to see what they serve up!) “American Inventors”.

Notice anything about what’s across the top of the page?

Then Google “Inventor Americanos” (same search in Spanish) and what do you see this time?

Now go back to “American Inventors” and research what they actually “invented”!

And try Googling “American mathematicians”, “American scientists”.

And finally compare what you get when you google Black inventors” vs “White inventors”!!!

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Datagirl

Since we’re on the topic of biology, it’s obvious that this kid’s genetic makeup makes it difficult for him to find a girlfriend. No Google girl => angry programmer loser manifesto.

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Tony

Actually, it’s the ratio of men to women at Google. Your observation proves his theory. It’s all supply and demand.

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Anonymous

I would have some serious explaining to do (as to how I was spending my time on my company’s dime) if I submitted a 10-page, 3300-word memo on ANY topic.

Your thoughts (other than “maybe he wrote it on his own time”)?

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Anonymous

You obviously didn’t read the article. It said he wrote on his 12 hour return flight from China after he had to attend a “diversity” class there.

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David

It was also posted to a discussion board provided by Google for their employees to speak their mind and discuss issues. Google sanctioned his time spent on this — until it became a PR nightmare.

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Anonymous

Did any of you read his Facebook posts? His tips for getting the most out of an all-you-can-eat buffett? Dude is hilarious.

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Anonymous

Hell, no, I didn’t read the whole memo/manifesto. I did read the context he established, along with the caveats he listed, and there didn’t appear anything that warranted his dismissal.

The reason he was fired was because in almost every case that an internal memo goes viral, the company chooses to sacrifice the employee.

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John Stevens

What’s the problem here? People are not entitled to express, discuss, or write about their opinions and viewpoints any longer. Ask any Professor…

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Raj

I just read a report that Google’s CEO received $ 200 Million executive compensation in 2016. He has also been appointed to their Board now. I guess 2017 will test his real mettle as a Chief Executive. Wonder how much the fired engineer was compensated for his contributions in his job. If such vast disparity does not condone discrimination, then I don’t know what does. I’m not suggesting that Google be singled in that view because such disparity thrives throughout corporate America. It is obscene. Nobody in any corporation is worth that kind of money.

Despite the furor caused by Damore’s manifesto and his subsequent firing, this CEO felt obliged to let go an engineer (who probably received 1/00th of the top management’s pay) for having shared his views, juxtaposed to the management’s claim that Google’s policies are directed to include all. Interesting to watch how ALL senior management is rallying in his support and denouncing the diverse opinion offered by Damore. Now management has also cancelled their Town Hall meeting to discuss diversity issues. Further, senior politicians are also raising their voices to prompt Google’s management to implement corrective action. It seems EVERYTHING this management is doing supports Damore’s claims.

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Jessica Sebastian

The manifesto’s key argument is that women aren’t as interested in fields that are competitive and high stress. But his assumption doesn’t match the data.

All these super-competitive, high stress fields have seen an exponential increase in the numbers of women over the past few decades which has led to a representation in the field that is on par with women’s representation in the general population (50%):
Physical sciences
Law school
Medical school

Also why did women represent 40% (which has now dwindled to 17%) of computer science graduates in the 80s?

Either Damore is right and women’s genetics have drastically changed over the past 3 decades. Or he’s wrong and it’s not genetics, but societal norms that have dramatically changed the way women feel towards computer science.

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Jaylon Gowie

Oh god. No it’s not. It’s because technology has changed now. With how it has advanced, millennial girls are more interested in internet fame than the technology itself. It’s just like what he said and you’re only proving his point. Women are more interested in the thoughts and interactions with others, not with things. This entire article is regressive left propaganda and completely biased in every way. It’s the literal definition of a politically toxic post, The more you guys deny science and make up your own statistics and reasons, the more you guys prove his point. It’s actually quite funny because it got to the point that you cant defend yourselves so badly that you actually start PROVING the point. He already has support from scientist, other companies, and public figures who care about facts over feelings. Saying that somebody who was banned from Twitter is unreliable is the most stupid thing ever since Twitter is a far left safe haven that tries all it can to sensor anything that will remotely trigger somebody who’s too caught up in feelings. You guys are turning yourself into a joke and thank goodness more that half of America now agrees

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Jeremy Bonington-Jagworth

“All these super-competitive, high stress fields have seen an exponential increase in the numbers of women over the past few decades which has led to a representation in the field that is on par with women’s representation in the general population (50%)”:

But they get triggered by a Memo containing some self evident scientific facts?!

They can’t work with, in fact feel threatened by, some go so far as to feel violated by, someone who says that while some women can and do thrive at Google, the average woman isn’t interested in that kind of work and so you will never get the same number of female applicants?!

That’s being able to cope with high levels of stress?!?!?

In the UK we had a woman, with a “MILITARY” background, who freaked out because she was given a squeaky chair!!!!

What would she have been like on the front line?!?!?!??

As for medics, in the UK we now hove the majority of medical school places going to women, and the majority of people entering the medical profession being women, at a time when we are training and hiring more doctors than ever before.

But we have a massive shortage of doctors.

Because in the old days, when most doctors were men, they worked ridiculous hours and worked well past retirement age.

But the female doctors go on maternity leave, come back part time, and have to retire well before normal retirement age!!!

Not only that, but they are choosing the easy life careers and specialities and shunning the really difficult, high stress ones, so there is a special problem in the really difficult areas of medicine.

Yeah, right, they obviously thrive on the stress!!!

And in Law we have a feminist called, ironically, Proudman, who complains that “only” a quarter of judges are female, and “only” an eight of senior lawyers (Senior QCs) are women.

What she omits to admit is that when the senior QCs started out, very few women went into law, and when the judges started out, almost none did, and most of those dropped out for family reasons.

And yet she complains that “only” a quarter of judges and “only” an eight of senior lawyers are women.

Worse, she “poked” a (senior) lawyer (working in a completely different field to her, that she didn’t know from Adam) on LinkedIn to like, or whatever it is, her Linkedin profile, and when he complimented her on the quality of her LinkedIn profile picture (which she’d obviously gone to great trouble and expense to have professionally taken, and then professionally photoshopped) she went berserk and publicly “outed” him for harassment, sexism, misogyny, and suchlike!

Worse still, it seems she was always making lewd and sexist comments about attractive young men on Facebook!

Yet when someone compliments her on the quality of her professional picture in wig and gown she is triggered?!?!?!

Give me a break, it’s bad enough “women” needing safe spaces and trigger warnings in university, but when people are old enough to be in graduate jobs and they are triggered by science!?!?!?!?!?!?

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widgetball

Have you actually followed the links to his “scientific articles?” They’re from right-wing websites with tiny sample sizes and none of it’s ever been reproduced.

All the stuff you say about women and trigger warnings is just stuff you made up based on your won personal feelings (hateful feelings about women).

Your one example of a woman in the UK is just that, one example. Surely you see the difference between large, verifiable scientific studies and the stuff that’s being shared here, right?

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Jeremy Bonington-Jagworth

“Also why did women represent 40% (which has now dwindled to 17%) of computer science graduates in the 80s?”

Errmmmmm, because most of the best men dropped out before graduating and started successful IT companies?!?!

What stopped the women doing that?!?!?!?

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Natasha F

It’s because of affirmative action of colleges trying to balance the gender mix.

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Natasha F

It is easier for a woman than a man to get accepted into a top tier college if she is applying into a STEM field. It’s a KNOWN fact. Hello? Don’t ask AOs in college because they will give you bull about holistic non-sense. Ask High School Guidance Counselors who see the difference in acceptance rates based on race, sex, and the major you are applying to. They know the difference between their students better than the AO who has to balance things and try to match unicorn quotas.

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Natasha F

I’m not saying a women can’t be smarter than men. Just that the OVER-politically correct LEFT is artificially imposing quotas that are not natural. I believe in a progressive society, but things should not be forced to always be equal. Women do some things better than men, and vice versa. I remember reading the article about a woman navy pilot who lands her plane on the carrier better than the guys. There a reasons for it which I accept. Should we force the Navy to have half the crew be women now? No. But, I accept that she can land a plane better for sure.

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Anonymous

I like how you say “It’s a KNOWN fact” without actually citing anything worthwhile that demonstrates your point. You can’t make claims like that without citing your source.

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matt pepestein (@AnarchyEnsues)

hmmm if gender was just a social construct, why do trans people need to take drugs to change them into their prefered gender?

no one cares that men are underrepresented in nursing or school teachers… but here we have how evil it is that men outnumber women 10-1 in google… is it because IT degrees have 10x more men in them? probably.. so lets have women have to pass lower standards than men when they get hired in google.

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Jeff Poss

Dear Matt Pepestein, You have your facts wrong. The percentage of males to females at Google in 2017 is 31% female to 69% male. Also, the percentage of females is very slowly growing at Google over the past 4 years of data from statista dot com in an article titled, “Distribution of Google employees worldwide from 2014 to 2017, by gender”. Also, social construct of gender has nothing to do with transgender people needing to take drugs to change them. Thirdly, trans people do not choose (you say “preferred”) the gender that they associate with. And lastly, people do care about gender diversity in nursing such as “Diversity in Nursing: Male Nurses & Minorities” by Debra Wood, RN published on RN dot com which states that male nurses currently comprise 9.1% of Registered Nurses and is growing. Other articles are out there. all you have to do is search for them.

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Jeremy Bonington-Jagworth

Dear Jeff Prose

The proportion of “whites” at google is around half.

And yet the proportion of whites in the US is around two thirds if you exclude Latinos and Hispanics.

And three quarters if you include them!

When is Google going to sort that out?!

As for the percentage of females growing, given all the government, media, school, university, and Google initiatives and pressure, why is it only slowly growing?!

Especially if there is so much pent up latent talent and, more importantly, desire, in females to do IT?!?!?

Also, social construct of gender has EVERYTHING to do with transgender people needing to take drugs to change them.

If gender is a social construct, then they can be whatever gender they like without drugs, certainly without drugs which affect their physical state.

If gender is a social construct, then if they feel a woman in a man’s body, that’s because their parents and others have taught them to feel they are a man, just as someone who feels they are a man in a mans body only feels that way because he’s been brought up to feel that way, when he is actually, supposedly no different from a woman!

So. thirdly, trans people do not choose (he say “preferred”) the gender that they associate with, their parents and society choose (preferred?) it for them, and all it needs is a bit of “reprogramming”!

And lastly, you claim that people do care about gender diversity in nursing referring to the article “Diversity in Nursing: Male Nurses & Minorities” and further that there are “other articles are out there. all you have to do is search for them”.

Strange then that the one you chose to refer to doesn’t give a sh!t (that’s a medical term) about them and merely “states that male nurses currently comprise 9.1% of Registered Nurses and is growing”.

However, it does seem to care about other minorities in nursing, stating that “This is a much-needed development, as several studies have shown that patients find it reassuring to receive care from someone who comes from the same ethnic or racial background. Yet recruiting more ethnically and racially diverse students requires a concerted push that should employ outreach efforts in schools and community organizations, to educate possible candidates about the opportunities available in nursing”.

And: “Since healthcare has strong cultural roots, experts suggest that it is important to ensure diversity among nurses. Nurses who have similar backgrounds to their patients can more completely understand their culture, which can lead to better outcomes”.

But as for pale stale male patients, stuff them, eh?!

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Jaylon Gowie

And this is why YouTube is going to crap also. Google cares too much about “Equality” that they fake the realistic standards of equality to make it look like it’s just a normal everyday thing. If anybody opposes their OBVIOUSLY flawed logic, then they demonetize or censor their videos, or as we see here, fire them. People have noticed that and Google is slowly digging their own grave. But hey, at least they get to go out knowing that their opinion is objectively wrong. Might help others not do it again and focus more on Free Speech with no censorship (other than extreme violence) and learn to rely on facts and not feelings.

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francisepstein

People do care that men are underrepresented in nursing and teaching. Men should get their fair share of low paying jobs too. The problem here is that if Billy tells you that he wants to be a nurse or teacher when he grows up, you’ll say, “Son, that’s cool and all, but what about becoming a doctor, a lawyer, or a Google programmer where you can make a billion dollars?” If Sally says the same thing, you’ll say, “Geez that’s great sweetie! I think you’ll do great working with sick people and kids! Girls are good that that kind of stuff! After that you can find a great guy with a good job (that compensates your low wages), settle down, and have lots of kids. Now if we’re through here sweetie, can you go grab daddy another Coors Light out of the fridge?”

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Jeremy Bonington-Jagworth

And almost all work fatalities are male, shall we kill half of all women to equal things up?!

It would be sooooooo fair, wouldn’t it!!!

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francisepstein

No, you’re absolutely correct. If our daughters say they want to do any dangerous boy things, we should absolutely discourage such things. If little Janie tells you she wants to rock climb or race motorcross, you should absolutely steer her towards more girly pursuits such as playing house or hosting tea parties. And if she tries to get a job in construction, she’s probably a lesbian.

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Jeff Poss

Here is an interesting article on gender from people who have actually studied gender differences. It’s on recode dot com and it’s titled “We’ve studied gender and STEM for 25 years. The science doesn’t support the Google memo.”

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Jeremy Bonington-Jagworth

One out of millions, rooted in quarter century old feminist bias!

Why not google some cutting edge, latest technology, up to date, research like the whole edition’s worth from the Journal of Neuroscience Research, An Issue Whose Time Has Come: Sex/Gender Influences on Nervous System Function
January/February 2017, Volume 95, Issue 1-2, Pages Spc1–Spc1, 1–791, Issue edited by: Larry Cahill

Or if that’s too heavy for you, try articles from the likes Dr Debra Soh, who’s a freshly minted Neuroscience doctor specialising in studying gender and the brain using the very latest in brain imaging techniques?!

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Matthew

He made a mistake many very intelligent people make: not getting that correlation does not equal causation. He listed tendencies that women, on average, have more than men. That does not mean it is a biological truth, or that women are just that way. Socialization is a major factor.

That said, I am totally against the firing, and he was probably right that there was a culture of shaming inside the company. Looking at his photos, he looks like many people I knew at IBM, asperger-like and not really understanding subtleties of relationships or emotional intelligence. But voicing his opinions is often necessary to learn, to understand fallacious reason or perception. Shaming hardens views, gets the walls and defenses higher. Just look at the Trump effect: saying patently wrong statements got his supporters more entrenched.

The reality is google likely has many more people with those views – but they likely won’t learn. They’ll just feel more uncomfortable and continue with micro-agressions they can’t be called on. Real change won’t happen.

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Jeremy Bonington-Jagworth

So why can’t se fix transgendered people by resocialisation instead of surgery?”

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Jeremy Bonington-Jagworth

So you’re saying those Christian reprogrammers were right all along!

You’re saying they CAN fix g a y s by resocialising them into their correct s3x and gender!!!

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Anonymous

This is the best reply to the article I’ve read. His assessment, while statistically valid from a pure population standpoint, disregards factors that could make it irrelevant. Say 25 percent of men are “asperger like coder types” and 5 percent of women are, you could still have a 50/50 gender ratio at Google if more of those women get hired out of that 5 percent than men out of the 25. Less probable but entirely possible. That being said, if he was being fired for reasons based on supression of opinion policies , then perhaps he has a point.

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Anonymous

Sure, you could. But assuming two things:
1. That every single person who is an “Asperger coder type” is looking for coding work.
2. That there is a standard distribution of skills throughout each sex.

For your scenario to happen, less skilled and productive women would need to be hired instead of more qualified and productive men to support that ratio.

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Anonymous

If these people ever had a real job instead or talking about their feelings, while everyone is working for their families survival. Who knows what these googlites are babbling about, but I do know that woman customer service agents or managers are super anal and cause 99% of problems and lose future business when you call or visit a store. They will use their piddly position to give you the most hard time. A lady at a credit card company wouldnt check into issuing a credit when the company actually cashed a payment check. Lindsey at Weber rd, Bolingbrook IL Fedex clerk tries to lecture experienced shipping people how to wrap a package. A Comed lady clerk wont wont properly setup account. A Dollar Store lady wont bag items, etc etc etc.

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Jeff Poss

My experience has been different than yours. In my experience it has been equal regard the quality of customer service representatives and grocery clerks. One woman at Smith Grocery Store is absolutely wonderful, and much better than any of the males there when it comes to bagging groceries. But the stories are different everywhere I’ve been. At other years there was a great male clerk that was great a bagging. I’ve had bad customer service from males and females equally.

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Hitesh Ceon

I am all for women’s rights… but this guy is simply telling the truth. Men and women are physically different… our brains are different, men and women are different psychologically… this obsession with trying to see and treat everyone as “equals” is absurd. For we are absolutely not equal, every single one of us is different from everyone else. Even twins are not “equals”. Google needs to learn to treat people as individuals, and not judge them by their gender or their race.

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Kelltic

I used to be that a company had to have a real reason to fire someone. Guess that’s dead now, like free speech. Very scary.

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