A recorded conversation between Donald Trump‘s niece Mary Trump and the president’s older sister, Maryanne Trump Barry, was released by The Washington Post on August 22. The chat was secretly taped by Mary Trump, who recently published The New York Times best-selling tell-all book, Too Much and Never Enough: How My Family Created the World’s Most Dangerous Man.
Mary Trump, 55, provided The Post with 15 hours of “face-to-face conversations with Barry in 2018 and 2019,” the paper reported. “She provided The Post with previously unreleased transcripts and audio excerpts, which include exchanges that are not in her book.”
Barry, 83, a retired federal judge, and the oldest of the Trump siblings, said of her brother as president, “His goddamned tweet and lying, oh my God. I’m talking too freely, but you know. The change of stories. The lack of preparation. The lying. Holy s***.”
“All he wants to do is appeal to his base,” Barry continues. “He has no principles. None. None. And his base, I mean my God, if you were a religious person, you want to help people. Not do this.”
During another part of the conversation, Barry, who has not publicly spoken critically of her younger brother says, “It’s the phoniness of it all. It’s the phoniness and this cruelty. Donald is cruel.”
In Mary Trump’s book, she wrote that Barry called her brother a “clown” during the 2016 election, and how her aunt disapproved of how her brother spoke to the press about Fred Trump Jr., who died from alcohol-related illness in 1981. “He’s using your father’s memory for political purposes and that’s a sin, especially since Freddy should have been the star of the family,” Barry told Mary Trump.
It Was Barry Who Revealed to Mary Trump That Donald Trump Hired a Proxy to Take His SATs
In Mary Trump’s book, she made the bombshell claim that the president cheated on his SATs. She said that her uncle paid a proxy to take the standardized test, enlisting “a smart kid with a reputation for being a good test taker, to take his SATs for him.”
The high score the proxy earned for him, Mary Trump added, helped the young Donald Trump to later gain admittance as an undergraduate to the University of Pennsylvania’s prestigious Wharton School. The future president had “worried that his grade point average, which put him far from the top of his class, would scuttle his efforts to get accepted.”
“Donald, who never lacked for funds, paid his buddy well,” Mary Trump wrote of the person who took the SATs for Trump.
In response to Mary Trump’s claims, Deputy White House Press Secretary Sarah Matthews told The Daily Mail, “The absurd SAT allegation is completely false.”
However, during the phone call between Mary Trump and Barry from November 1, 2018, Trump’s sister said he was “a brat” and that “I did his homework for him.”
Barry said, “He went to Fordham for one year [actually two years], and then he got into the University of Pennsylvania because he had somebody take the exams. I know he didn’t get into college. He had someone take his exams. … SATs or whatever. … I even remember the name.”
‘Donald Is Out for Donald, Period,’ Barry Said of Her Brother
During another conversation between Mary Trump and her aunt shared with The Post, she asked Barry what her uncle had ever accomplished on his own. “I don’t know,” Barry said. “Well, he has five bankruptcies.”
“Good point,” Mary responds. “He did accomplish those all by himself.”
“Yes, he did,” Barry concludes. “Yes, he did. You can’t trust him.”
While Donald Trump’s companies have filed for Chapter 11 bankruptcy protection six times, the president has never personally declared bankruptcy.
“He once tried to take credit for me,” Barry said of Donald Trump, recalling how he always kept saying, ‘Where would you be without me?'” after she asked him for help to earn then-President Ronald Reagan’s nomination for a federal judgeship. Barry said Donald Trump’s attorney, Roy Cohn, was “like kissing buddies” with Reagan.
“He had Roy Cohn call Reagan about needing to appoint a woman as a federal judge in New Jersey,” Barry told Mary Trump. “Because Reagan’s running for reelection, and he was desperate for the female vote.” There’s photo evidence in the Reagan Library of Donald Trump meeting with Reagan at the White House on August 4, 1983. According to Reagan’s diary, he met with Barry on September 13, 1983. The very next day, she received the nomination.
Barry told Mary Trump that Donald Trump never let her forget how he made her career. She told Mary Trump that it was “the only favor I ever asked for in my whole life,” but that she earned the judgeship “on my own merit.”