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Wisconsin Recount Filed 2016: 5 Fast Facts You Need to Know

Wisconsin Governor Scott Walker introduces Donald Trump at the beginning of the rally. Upon taking the stage, Trump said that Walker has done a "fantastic job" for the state of Wisconsin. (Getty)

Wisconsin Governor Scott Walker introduces Donald Trump at the beginning of the rally. Upon taking the stage, Trump said that Walker has done a “fantastic job” for the state of Wisconsin. (Getty)

A recount of the 2016 presidential election results in battleground Wisconsin will likely start December 1 and cost $3.5 million, adding new drama to an already contentious election filled with surprise twists.

The recount comes after a group of professors and lawyers raised concerns about the possibility of hacking. Donald Trump decried the recount as a “scam” in a statement on November 26.

The Wisconsin Election Commission “is preparing to move forward with a statewide recount of votes for President of the United States,” Administrator Michael Haas announced in a written statement on November 25.

The recount was requested by the Green Party after its nominee, Jill Stein, raised more than $6 million in just over one day to fund recounts in Wisconsin, Michigan, and Pennsylvania, all states that were surprise upsets for Donald Trump and which he won by fairly small margins. Stein paid the recount bill on November 29.

Stein on November 28 filed a lawsuit to force a hand count of ballots in Wisconsin; the state’s Election Commission had left that decision up to each county. Stein also sued in Pennsylvania, asking a judge to force a recount there. USA Today said Stein supporters also started filing petitions asking for recounts at the individual precinct level, which is the other way in that state to force a recount.

Hillary Clinton’s campaign counsel, Marc Elias, said November 26 that the Clinton campaign will participate in the Wisconsin recount (and possibly also recounts in Pennsylvania and Michigan if they are formally requested) but has not found any actionable evidence of hacking or outside interference in the election.

Other experts have disputed the unproven hacking claims, which were raised in the media shortly before Stein launched her recount fundraising efforts, and the Wisconsin GOP has labeled the recount “absurd.” Some have also accused Stein of wasting money in a scenario that is highly unlikely to overturn the election results; Stein says she is concerned about election integrity.

Meanwhile, the Obama administration is defending the election results, according to Politico, saying, “it has seen no evidence of hackers tampering with the 2016 presidential election” and adding, “We stand behind our election results, which accurately reflect the will of the American people.”

Jill Stein (Getty)

Jill Stein (Getty)

The Wisconsin recount request was first out of the chute because Wisconsin’s deadline for a recount was on November 25. Wisconsin’s electoral votes are not enough to take the presidential election from Trump alone: To prevail, Hillary Clinton would need Michigan and Pennsylvania’s returns to fall too. Demonstrating the steep difficulties in doing so: The Pennsylvania margin was more than 70,000 votes. A judge turned down Stein’s request for a hand count of all Wisconsin ballots, saying, Stein didn’t present “clear and convincing evidence” that Wisconsin voting equipment was compromised, only that it was possible,” according to WBAY-TV.
Trump won Wisconsin by 22,177 votes in a state that had not voted for a Republican presidential candidate since 1984 (although the state has a Republican governor, Republican Legislature, Republican AG, and conservative leaning Supreme Court). Trump’s lead in Michigan: 10,704 votes. His lead in Pennsylvania: 70,638. Stein received 1.4 million votes in the 2016 presidential election overall. She received 31,016 votes in Wisconsin – more than Trump’s margin over Clinton.

The Wisconsin results, per the Election Commission, are as follows:

Donald Trump: 1,404,000
Hillary Clinton: 1,381,823
Darrell L. Castle: 12,156
Gary Johnson: 106,585
Jill Stein: 31,006
Monica Moorehead: 1,769
Rocky Roque De La Fuente: 1,514
Cherunda Fox (write-in): 44
Evan McMullin (write-in): 9,998

There was a smattering of other votes for various write-in candidates and more than 26,000 votes for unspecified write-in candidates.

As a point of comparison, the Florida battle between George W. Bush and Al Gore in 2000 began as the candidates were separated by just over 500 votes.

The Stein efforts come on the heels of the group of professors and lawyers pressuring the Hillary Clinton campaign to seek recounts in the three states after they uncovered what they claim are statistical anomalies in Wisconsin’s results. Other statistical experts have ridiculed those claims, however, and the group has not presented any proof that election returns were hacked or manipulated, although it’s said election returns should be verified to rule out hacking by a foreign government, such as Russia. The Wisconsin Election Commission called the recount in response to Stein’s petition, however, not the statistical claims.

Here’s what you need to know:


1. Wisconsin Is Working Against a Very Tight Deadline for Its Recount & Officials Have Defended the State’s Elections

electoral map

What the electoral map would look like if Clinton had won Wisconsin, Michigan, and Pennsylvania. (270toWin)

The Green Party’s Wisconsin co-chairman George Martin told CNN the party wants to go even farther than a recount and is seeking “reconciliation of paper records” that will investigate the integrity of Wisconsin’s electoral system. Read Stein’s petition here:

The Wisconsin Election Commission said it will cost $3.5 million for the Wisconsin recount, and it will start December 1 if the bill is paid up front. “Wisconsin’s 72 County Clerks expect to hire thousands of temporary workers to assist the county boards of canvassers in recounting the ballots. They also expect to be working extra hours and weekends to finish the recount by 8 p.m. Monday, December 12,” said the Commission. The Commission met to order the recount on November 28:

Haas, of the Wisconsin Election Commission, said in his statement: “We have assembled an internal team to direct the recount, we have been in close consultation with our county clerk partners, and have arranged for legal representation by the Wisconsin Department of Justice. We plan to hold a teleconference meeting for county clerks next week and anticipate the recount will begin late in the week after the Stein campaign has paid the recount fee, which we are still calculating.”

The state uses a mixture of electronic machines and paper ballots that are scanned. In contrast, Pennsylvania almost entirely relies on electronic machines without paper back up, and Michigan relies on paper balloting.

“If nothing else, this is going to give us a very good audit, it’s going to re-assure Wisconsin voters that we have a fair system, that we’re not counting illegal votes,” Elections Commission chairman Mark Thomsen, said, according to CNN, which added that Thomsen “strongly defended the vote count,” saying, “To say we didn’t count them correctly the first time… that somehow illegal votes were counted… is really inappropriate.”

Altogether, the three states amount to enough electoral votes that, had Clinton won them, she would win the Electoral College (she is already way ahead in the popular vote). But she would need all three to flip. See the above electoral map for how it would look if those three states flipped into Clinton’s column.

The Washington Post said Stein asked for the recount 90 minutes before the deadline, and added that Wisconsin has only until December 13 to complete it. Reform Party nominee Roque “Rocky” De La Fuente has also asked for a Wisconsin recount, The Post said.

The Wisconsin Election Commission has a detailed manual spelling out the procedures. The deadlines to seek recounts are November 28 in Pennsylvania, and November 30 in Michigan.

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2. Wisconsin Last Conducted a Recount in 2011 After Thousands of Votes Were Accidentally Left Out of Returns & State Republicans Are Criticizing the New Effort as ‘Absurd’

The last statewide recount was of the state Supreme Court election in 2011, the culmination of a bitter battle that broke down along party lines in what was perceived as a proxy war in the Governor Scott Walker labor battles.

“At that time, the Associated Press surveyed county clerks and reported that costs to the counties exceeded $520,000, though several counties did not respond to the AP’s survey,” The Election Commission wrote. “That election had 1.5 million votes, and Haas said the Commission expects the costs to be higher for an election with 2.975 million votes.”

The conservative leaning candidate, David Prosser, led by just over 7,000 votes before the recount. He prevailed after it, also. His vote totals eroded by only about 310 votes. That election had dramatic and bizarre twists and turns. Initially, it was reported that Prosser’s challenger had won by a tiny margin (she even claimed victory), but then the County Clerk in the Republican stronghold of Waukesha County revealed she accidentally did not count thousands of votes. That clerk no longer holds the position.

Somewhat ironically (or perhaps very, depending on your point of view), in Wisconsin, Republicans have led claims of voter fraud, whereas Democrats have generally claimed it’s rare and not a problem. A Republican-championed Voter ID law went into effect for the first time in Wisconsin for the November 8 general election, and it’s been the subject of intense disputes and legal battles.

A University of Wisconsin professor told The Milwaukee Journal Sentinel that Wisconsin’s election machines “are not connected to the internet,” making hacking very difficult. The Wisconsin State Journal said state GOP officials have criticized the recount as “absurd” and an “expensive political stunt.”

Exit polls showed Clinton winning Wisconsin, and the discrepancy between the final results and those polls was 4.8%, according to a chart compiled by TDMSResearch.com.

The Wisconsin Election Commission is still trying to figure out how much the presidential recount will cost and how the costs “will be assessed to the campaigns,” the statement said.

The Commission said it must meet a December 13 federal deadline, adding, “As a result, county boards of canvassers may need to work evenings and weekends to meet the deadlines.” The Milwaukee Journal Sentinel reported it was possible the state could forfeit its 10 electoral votes if it can’t meet that deadline. However, even without Wisconsin, Trump would still lead the Electoral College.

Haas said that the deadline would be very challenging. In a memo to Wisconsin County Clerks about the recount, dated November 25, the Election Commission wrote, “Under federal law, there is a ‘safe harbor’ provision which requires any election dispute involving a presidential election to be settled within 35 days of Election Day, which is December 13, 2016 in this case….essentially it means that we will have an incredibly tight window to complete the audit- most likely less than two weeks from the date that the recount is ordered.”

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3. Wisconsin Will Retabulate & Examine Votes & Counties Get to Decide Whether to Count Then by Hand

Hillary Clinton

Hillary Clinton pauses as she makes a concession speech after being defeated by Republican President-elect Donald Trump. (Getty)

“A recount is different than an audit and is more rigorous,” the Election Commission said in the statement. “More than 100 reporting units across the state were randomly selected for a separate audit of their voting equipment as required by state law, and that process has already begun.”

Electronic voting equipment audits “determine whether all properly-marked ballots are accurately tabulated by the equipment. In a recount, all ballots (including those that were originally hand counted) are examined to determine voter intent before being retabulated,” said the Commission.

“In addition, the county boards of canvassers will examine other documents, including poll lists, written absentee applications, rejected absentee ballots, and provisional ballots before counting the votes,” the Commission explained.

Will all votes be counted by hand? That’s not clear. Stein is now asking a judge to decide. The judge ruled it’s up to the counties.

The Commission’s memo to County Clerks says “a somewhat recent legislative change now provides the option to the county canvass board to determine whether to conduct the recount via a hand-count or electronic voting equipment.”

However, the commission added that the “Stein campaign has indicated that their preferred method for conducting the recount will be by hand instead of by electronic voting equipment. Only ballots that were tabulated by optical scan voting equipment may be recounted by voting equipment (barring a court order). Ballots cast on touchscreen (DRE) voting equipment and ballot that were counted by hand on election night will need to be recounted by hand.”

The Commission memo added, “Please let WEC staff know which tabulation method you believe will be used by the county canvass board by noon this Monday, November 28 as this may factor into the decision by either campaign to seek a court order mandating a hand recount. In discussions with Wisconsin election officials over the years, a hand-count may not be as timing consuming as one may think and avoids pre-testing of the equipment and reprogramming of memory devices. The decision whether to tabulate by equipment or by hand is to be made by each canvass board unless a court orders otherwise, but we would like to get a sense of the method you expect to be used.”

Haas noted that the Commission’s role “is to order the recount, to provide legal guidance to the counties during the recount, and to certify the results. If the candidates disagree with the results of the recount, the law gives them the right to appeal in circuit court within five business days after the recount is completed.”

The Commission said Wisconsin “has the most decentralized election system in the United States. The system has strong local control coupled with state oversight, resting on the partnership between the Wisconsin Elections Commission, the 72 county clerks, and the 1,854 municipal clerks.”

Because of this decentralization, said the Commission, “State law clearly gives each county’s Board of Canvassers the primary authority to conduct the recount, and to decide which ballots should and should not be counted. Recounting votes is an open, transparent process in which each of the candidates may have representatives present to raise objections, and where the public may be present to observe.”


4. A Group of Professors & Lawyers Wants the Integrity of the Election Checked for Possible Hacking

j. alex halderman

J. Alex Halderman (Halderman website).

The renewed scrutiny on the election results from the three states gained more prominence November 22 when New York Magazine ran an extensive article entitled, “Experts Urge Clinton Campaign to Challenge Election Results in 3 Swing States.” Stein’s recount fundraising efforts started a short time later.

The article reported that a group of data experts and lawyers “which includes voting-rights attorney John Bonifaz and J. Alex Halderman, the director of the University of Michigan Center for Computer Security and Society, believes they’ve found persuasive evidence that results in Wisconsin, Michigan, and Pennsylvania may have been manipulated or hacked.”

Halderman then wrote a detailed explanation and, to some degree, clarification of his theories on Medium.com.

The group’s central theory is that a foreign government could have hacked the election because of what they argue are suspicious patterns in voting results in Wisconsin (which other data experts have ridiculed, saying they can be explained away by education and race variables).

In Wisconsin, says New York Magazine, the group argues that its analysis shows Hillary “Clinton received 7 percent fewer votes in counties that relied on electronic-voting machines compared with counties that used optical scanners and paper ballots.” They argue this might have cost her 30,000 votes.

According to The New York Daily News, “Wisconsin’s metropolitan areas, where Clinton did well, use paper ballots. Rural Wisconsin, where she did not, relies on electronic machines.” The newspaper says the group has no proof of hacking. Of course, it’s possible that Clinton simply did not appeal to rural voters. Indeed, white working class voters in Wisconsin, Michigan, and Pennsylvania fled the Democrats out of economic stress and a desire for a change candidate who is a political and establishment outsider, one narrative holds, while Clinton did not motivate the Obama coalition and turn out urban voters to the degree she needed.

The group has not presented similar data on Michigan and Pennsylvania. (In the latter state, a court decides whether to grant a recount.)

The Clinton campaign and various intelligence agencies have accused the Russian government of staging a series of hacks – including those published by WikiLeaks – that hurt Clinton’s chances during the campaign, including hacking into the emails of her campaign chairman, John Podesta. The group seeking the recount has not proven any election hacking or manipulation but argues the previous hacks mean the election’s integrity should be validated.

Stein told CNN: “We think the forensic computer experts have raised serious questions. What we do know is that this was a hack-riddled election, we saw hacks into voter databases, into party databases, into individual email accounts.”

A series of other prominent election data analysts have said the group’s claims don’t make sense. Vox published an article outlining flaws in the claims, pointing out that white rural voters all over the Midwest shifted to Trump, including in states that use only paper ballots (like Iowa.) Vox says Michigan only uses paper ballots.

In August 2016, CNN reported that “databases for election systems in Illinois and Arizona” were breached by hackers.

One of the skeptical voices about the new claims is Nate Silver, of the blog FiveThirtyEight, which analyzes elections using statistics. Silver has been repeatedly posting about the claims on Twitter. He pointed out that Michigan uses paper ballots:

Silver controlled for demographics in Wisconsin and found that the difference in voting disappears. He believes that race and education levels determined whether an area would shift toward Trump.

He also didn’t find anything amiss in Pennsylvania when you control for demographic differences.

He wasn’t the only person casting doubts on the theories.

Nate Cohn of the New York Times’ UpShot page and the Cook Political Report’s Dave Wasserman were skeptical too.


5. Trump’s Campaign Has Mocked the Effort & Hillary Clinton Supports the Recount

Many Republicans are supporting Trump in Waukesha and spoke before he took the stage, including former GOP Senator Paul Farrow, Rep. Adam Neylon, Cathy Stepp of the Department of Natural Resources, GOP Party Chair Brad Courtney, and former Sen. Bob Kasten. The Republican Party of Wisconsin took this photo and shared it on Facebook to show the crowd of people who attended his rally in Wisconsin. Clinton hasn't been back to Wisconsin since Bernie beat her in the primary. (Getty)

The Republican Party of Wisconsin took this photo and shared it on Facebook to show the crowd of people who attended a Donald Trump rally in Wisconsin. (Getty)

Trump had stayed silent on the recount efforts until November 26, when he released a statement calling them a “scam.”

“The people have spoken and the election is over, and as Hillary Clinton herself said on election night, in addition to her conceding by congratulating me, ‘We must accept this result and then look to the future,’” Trump said, calling the recount “ridiculous.”

His campaign manager Kellyanne Conway told Bloomberg, “What a pack of sore losers. After asking Mr. Trump and his team a million times on the trail, ‘Will HE accept the election results?’ it turns out Team Hillary and her new BFF Jill Stein can’t accept reality.” Stein was critical of Clinton during the election.

Trump also unleashed a slew of tweets saying nothing will change and pointing out that Clinton criticized him during a debate for saying the election was rigged.

In his most controversial tweet, Trump claimed, without offering any evidence, that millions of people voted illegally in the 2016 presidential election. (Read more about this unproven claim and its possible conspiracy theory origins here.)

Trump campaigned several times in Wisconsin. Wisconsin is a state that is the home to Republican National Committee Chairman (and now Trump chief of staff) Reince Priebus as well as House Speaker Paul Ryan. The state’s GOP had honed its get-out-the-vote machine during the Walker recall wars over public sector collective bargaining.

Hillary Clinton did not visit the state after the primary, and there was some support for third party candidates. Trump also had the boosting (if somewhat belatedly) of a Republican governor, Walker (although he is very divisive in his home state) and late-breaking voters. Trump also may have benefited from millions of dollars in last-minute spending that came into the state to boost Wisconsin’s Republican Senator Ron Johnson, whose seat was believed to be critical in retaining Republican control of the U.S. Senate. Clinton also may also have suffered from last-minute increases to Obamacare premiums that upset voters in some battleground states, including Wisconsin.

Trump’s campaign spokeswoman, Kellyanne Conway, mocked the recount efforts on Twitter.

Trump, who complained of the election being “rigged” before his Electoral College victory, was initially silent about it, instead tweeting about cabinet choices and keeping companies in the country. Clinton won the popular vote by more than 2 million votes, but Trump has a significant lead in the Electoral College (306-232). The Electoral College votes in December.

Clinton and her campaign initially “remained quiet on Stein’s crusade,” NBC News said of the only candidate the recount could theoretically benefit (outside of Trump, if the results verify his victory). Then, after Stein filed, Elias said the campaign would participate to ensure fair elections.

In a post on the site Medium, Elias wrote, “It should go without saying that we take these concerns extremely seriously. We certainly understand the heartbreak felt by so many who worked so hard to elect Hillary Clinton, and it is a fundamental principle of our democracy to ensure that every vote is properly counted.”

He added, “This election cycle was unique in the degree of foreign interference witnessed throughout the campaign: the U.S. government concluded that Russian state actors were behind the hacks of the Democratic National Committee and the personal email accounts of Hillary for America campaign officials, and just yesterday, the Washington Post reported that the Russian government was behind much of the ‘fake news’ propaganda that circulated online in the closing weeks of the election.”

Elias wrote that the campaign had met with experts and analyzed data to study the possibility of hacking or election manipulation, but concluded, “Because we had not uncovered any actionable evidence of hacking or outside attempts to alter the voting technology, we had not planned to exercise this option ourselves.” However, he said the campaign would participate in Stein’s efforts to ensure election fairness, while acknowledging that even the closest margin in Michigan “well exceeds the largest margin ever overcome in a recount.”

For her part, Stein and other third party candidates have been criticized by some Clinton supporters for contributing to Clinton’s loss by siphoning votes from her.

Stein was critical of Clinton during the campaign, and she has said she was seeking the recount not to help Clinton but rather to verify election integrity. The Election Commission spokesman did not respond when asked how many of the write-in votes were for Clinton’s primary candidate Bernie Sanders, but the number of write-in votes for undeclared candidates exceeds Trump’s margin of victory in Wisconsin.

NBC News said unmotivated Democratic voters to vote for Clinton in a year of political outsiders may be behind the voting patterns, not fraud, according to some experts.

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  1. I just LOVE the way that idiot Stein keep chirping that she is doing this to make confirm integrity of the votes – like hades, she is! She has Soros at her back and probably been handed hundreds of millions into her bank account (er, someone close to her – bank account) to make this recount happen in none other than the swing states! What a lying pos.

    • If Stein was really just doing this for vote integrity and because of how close the margin is, then she would have had New Hampshire do a recount as that state only has a 1500 vote difference between Hillary and Trump…But oh thats right – Hillary won there so Jill doesnt care.

      • Think about this, The recounts may have actually nothing to do with the integrity of the vote. By Jill Stein raising this money .by crowdfunding, Jill Stein now has total control of the email addresses, credit card information, etc. that you need to provide to make a contribution, By the amount she raised, she should have millions of folks information. Now she can sell this information to other politicians to target. Lists of this size can bring in a couple of million dollars a year to the owner of this type of information. So, folks, Jill Stein can personally continue to make millions of dollars a year for herself.

    • You make £27/h that’s great going girl good for you! My story is that I quit working at shoprite to work online , seriously I couldn’t be happier I work when I want and where I want. And with a little effort I easilly bring in £40/h and sometimes even as much as £85/h…

      Heres a good example of what I’m doing, >>>>>>>>> NoteNet10.Tk

    • “she has soros at her back and probably been handed hundreds of millions into her bank account…”. do you realize how ridiculous you sound? america has become stupider.

  2. Stein is a fool. The entire campaign the left did nothing but lecture us about how secure the voting system is in this country and how fraud is ‘nonexistent’. Now all of a sudden they’re spinning elaborate conspiracies and demanding hand-recounts and full audits — but only in swing states. Hey, how about we do a full audit in California and see how many illegals voted in that election?

    • Well said. Don’t forget all the felons and dead people that also voted. Wake up hillary…. you lost and should be happy you’re not in prison.

      • And all these so-called felons and dead people that supposedly voted, all voted for Hillary . . . and your proof of this is???? Oh, I forgot, Trump and Trump supporters only deal in innuendo and character assassination. Silly me!!

        • The Governor of Virginia who is a Clinton surrogate signed an executive order giving 650,000 Felons the right to vote. He was taken to court and was told that the Virginia State
          Constitution required they wee done on an individual basis . He then went on to sign them individually . Governor Brown of California did the same.

    • Don’t forget the dead people in Illinois. They’ve been casting ballots for democrats since before the great depression.

    • did you see that metrosexual/genderless “computer” guy? Pijama boi actually got a degree somewhere?

      Funny, but I don’t recall seeing the liberal/progressives demanding “voting” in the castro family owned cuba. WTF?

      • Funny, I don’t remember conservatives railing against the dismantling of Voters Rights in their own U.S. of A! Maybe liberals were too busy making up the the conservatives lack of concern that they didn’t have time to take care of Cuba too.

    • Hey, just today DJT said there is voter fraud . . . and we know he NEVER makes any unsubstantiated charges, right???? I would think Trumpeteers would be delighted.

    • lol, wow, another brilliant piece of writing by a Trumpeteer! How about a debate of issues with independent nono-partisan documentation to support your point of view? What’s that lol, you don’t know how? That’s OK, I already knew that.

    • Jackie, read the freakin’ American constitution, will ya? You’ll learn that even Socialists have the right to free speech. In fact, some people feel very patriotic in pointing out what they see as injustices. Furthermore, if you’ve been so unhappy the last 8 years maybe you’re the one that should have left?!?!?

  3. That’s what’s wrong with this country. We have professors and lawyers trying to change outcomes of elections. And they consider themselves smarter than than the electorate. The election is a done deal, get over it.

    • Got news for ya, Steven, professors and lawyers are part of the electorate too. Why was it OK for Trump and his Trumpanzees to rage and rant about voter fraud, but God forbid, when someone else raises this is they are supposed to “get over it?” Just a wee tad of hypocrisy wouldn’t you say? I mean, after all, turnabout is fair play.

  4. Stein is the lefts hero now. But she is the real culprit. Why. If the green party would not have run in this election Hillary would have won in the disputed states since 99% of the Green vote would have gone to Hillary. Enough to win those and other states.

    • Thats a flawed view. If Gary Johnson didnt run then his voters would likely vote for Trump…And Gary Johnson got 4x as many votes as Jill. Hillary lost due to being Hillary – period.

    • What are you taking about? Stein voters likely wouldn’t have voted at all if she wasn’t running and even if 100% of them voted for Hillary, she would have still lost.

  5. WOW!! After reading the last comment about a human being…Jill Stein… not a pos….its no surprise that this world is in so much turmoil. If the Republicans feel there is no change going to be made due to a re-count, then let them re-count! Not your dime they are spending. All that really matters is that we as a society need to start acting like human beings instead of bullies. I remember the days when people respected others, and would never call someone a pos just because their views didn’t match
    . I feel so sorry for our children, and what we are teaching them. Is this really making America great again???

    • Who is the fing bully here? Trump? Hardly. Stein should come clean and say she is doing this for the obvious reason she is doing it and not try to say it’s for voter integrity please. Does she really think we are a bunch of scmucks?

    • I believe the democrats will put in fraudulent votes art the time the recounts, get ready for a very bloody civil war in this country, socialists against capitalism/freedom

      • Many democratic socialist countries enjoy a higher standard of living than the United States and enjoy more freedoms than we in the United States do. Are you familiar with any other’s Constitutions, literacy rates, health care, college graduation rate, family leave policies? It impressive my friend . .

    • Dems haven’t been acting like human beings since election day! The bullies are the ones marching, holding signs saying RAPE MELANIA and making threats on Trump’s life. He won fair and square. FBI and CIA have been quietly investigating possible hacking since before AND after election day. If they haven’t found anything neither will Jill Stein. Things were starting to die down and now this will keep negativity going for a few more weeks. The only person helped by this is Jill Stein. Americans are NOT helped by this.

      • The Rape Melania sign was a fake. Please quit spreading falsehoods that promote anger and hate. Voice your opinions but please don’t spread lies to further the divide.

        • Rape Melania sign story . . . another Fake News Story being spread by Trump supporters . . . not sure if they do so out of vindictiveness or stupidity–maybe it’s both???

      • I totally disavow anyone who would hold a sign up saying to rape ANYONE, or promote violence against a fellow human being. That being said however, with all of Trump’s bullying, rampant xenophobia, some people are going to take a page from Trump’s playbook, and bullying right back. Americans are NOT helped by their Presidential-elect continuing to pit citizen against citizen. If Donald wants this to stop, he’s going to have to provide the leadership and make a U turn on his tactics.

    • Totally agree, Anonymous. As a former educator, I don’t know what my colleagues are telling their students. It can’t be easy.

    • Unfortunately in Michigan it Will be their dimes. Stein only has to pay about $950,000.00 for the recount in that state and Michigan has already said this is going to cost their residents about 4 million. With all the problems in Michigan, why should this become the residents problem? Why is not Stein paying the full tab in Michigan?

  6. Hillary conceded the election, it shouldn’t matter whether there is a change in the vote, she should have waited to concede. I thought when you concede that means you give up, she gave up, this is a non argument.

    • If the shoe was on the other foot, you and Donnie Boy would be screaming and ranting away that you were robbed. P-U-H-L-E-E-Z-E!!!

  7. Notice how they don’t mention how Jill Stine only wants a recound in states that Trump won narrowly, but not states Clinton won Narowly.

  8. We didn’t want Hillary back in 2008 that’s why we chose Obama and Real America doesn’t want her now!! All of her corruption cant help her now. This is to create more of a backlash from her protestors since they were starting to calm down. You lost get over it, 44 presidential candidates lost before you and there will be more to lose in the future.

    • What is “Real America?” White, white and Christian, white, Christian male or female? Only the midwest? Please, explain to me what “Real America” is?

  9. I guess I just don’t understand all of the hateful conversations being thrown around. If you Republicans are so confident with your choice of President, and aren’t worried about the results of a re-count, then whats the problem? Re-count!!! It is America after all, and is also a right of the people who live here. I guarantee if things went the other way, all of you would be asking for a re-count.

    • Fair is fair. So let’s also recount Colorado, Nevada, Virginia and New Hampshire. Let them recount, as long as a balanced justice system over sees ALL the process. Do you see Trump even paying attention to this nonsense? And if all 3 states are overturned? What then?

      • Actually he has Thomas. He’s whining as usual that it’s a scam and that Stein is only doing it to fill her coffers. But Trump ought to know scams since he’s the king of them. A recount can be had in any states any person wishes to hold them as long as they present money in hand.

        • Yeah, Thomas . . . do you actually think Donald Trump could be secure enough not whine about the recount . . . I’m terrified if Putin or that ilk every insults him . . . hello nuclear war!

        • Rebekah, a recount cannot by had by any person in any state as long as they have the money. In most states you have to have been on the ballot.

        • Again, shoe20, if there were 60k felons voting in VA, where is your proof that they voted all for Hillary? Are Trump supporters even capable of making a substantiated claim? Don’t you get tired of perpetuating fake news stories, and dealing in innuendo and character assassination?

      • If the outcome is the overturn of these three states we should recount all states with a close margin regardless of who won the state to make sure it was a fair count.

      • agreed. recount any and all states you want, especially those that either T or C won by close margins. Really, I completely agree with that. If not a total recount, then at least audit them thoroughly. And make sure that representatives from both campaigns are watching the process closely. no problem with that. As the comments on this thread prove, we are an angry, divided nation. let’s do everything we can to stamp our any rumors of a fixed election or ballot box stuffing or any cheating in the vote count, so we don’t have to listen to endless conspiracy theories from either the right or the left. Stein may be doing this for the worst of all possible reasons, but so what. Ask for recounts in other states, too. The bad intentions of someone else are no excuse for our own bad actions — at least that’s what my parents taught me.

        • I live offshore and I can tell you all the grief the US has given other countries about election process an they look at this they just laugh like the rest of the world. The so what of this story is that the US should stop calling for monitoring in other peoples countries for free and fair elections results only to have one of the most scrutinized election processes in the world to be called into doubt over a pure political play. If this happened in another country the us would be the first ones to say the election was monitored and was free and fair and the results should be recognized. So the us cannot have it both ways of being that pillar of example and then have the losers protest the results

          • First of all, perhaps you’ve forgotten why this country was founded on. One of them was free speech. If you don’t like it, maybe you should leave and go to some totalitarian state . . . maybe Russia . . . I here he and your fearless leader are tight!

    • I’m more worried that the libs will do more voter fraud. They were recorded in secret rooms filling out ballets for the dems. Who is to say, we don’t see more of this? Places like California had millions of illegals voting for Hillary, if this is going to be done right, audit the whole system. See who was dead and illegal when voting. Then you would probably see that popular vote tank for Hillary.

      • Oh jeez . . . why don’t you name some of these “libs” . . . afraid you’ll be sued for slander? Or just another fake news story that Trumpeteers thrive on? I swear, all Trumpeteers have a fast a loose grip on reality.

    • You can guarantee NOTHING you jackass. It’s astounding how some fool such as yourself, tells countless people (s)he never met, what they would do in a given situation. You know what I guarantee? That you’re a complete moron with zero sense. And I make that judgment based on your stupid comment.

      • YouJackass, have you read the Trump supporters’ comments, or looked at yourself in the mirror lately? You and your fellow Trumpettes rant and feel free tell those who you’ve never met and disagree with EXACTLY what they should do in a given situation while spreading your paranoia and fake news stories. Talk about calling the kettle black . . . so, according to you, that would make both of us morons!! LMAO!!! By the way, you might want to think about raking a Chill Pill, YouJackass . . . your rage and resentment are going to be the death of you.

  10. These Retards as one comment stated, have won the Presidency several times!!! you people are even sore winners….wow…never happy!!

  11. Most likely Jill Stein was funded by Hillary and Soros though the funding is made to seem it is from the American public. I wonder what is there next move if this does not work out for them which is hard to imagine that three states would flip for Hillary since Michigan is the smallest margin yet Michigan double counted to make sure their totals reflected a correct certifiable election result to be announced this Monday. The other states are by wider margins. Why didn’t Stein request Hillary’s wins where one win is less than the one Trump won in Michigan? Oh, that’s right Stein is being funded for Hillary. Well, we’ll find out in two weeks and see what their next move will be before January 20th as the Clintons/Soros have more political tricks in their bag to undermine the American’s people’s choice for President.

    • Jane, “Most likely Jill Stein was funded by Hillary and Soros . . . ” and “Oh, that’s right Stein is being funded for Hillary” Your reasons and proof for all of this. Or are you just another Trumpeteer that deals in innuendo and rants . . .

  12. Jill Stein is almost certainty a sanctioned proxy for Clinton, with her actions being coordinated by the highest levels in the DNC. She managed to raise over $5m to challenge the WI results via crowdfunding in just TWO days?! Really?! She managed to mobilize such a massive financial response from the “masses” in just two days?! Implausible to say the least. Well, let’s find out where this money has really come from. While she is undertaking her WI “audit”, Trump should insist that someone simultaneously audits her accounts to determine the origins of her $5m+. There is a likely trail that leads straight back to the DNC and Clinton campaign major donors.

  13. Actually I am an IT person and 1) the machines could NOT be hacked as they are not even connected to the internet 2) even if Wisconsin uses external media to copy the ballot design, it is still a “scanned’ copy into the voting machines. Did you ever scan a document? The scanned document cannot be changed (or lose content integrity) unless you can “change” the information of the document, in this case the ballot. It did not happen. In addition this so called “Expert” in Exhibit 1. He says there is no way to check to see if the the initial computer system where the scanning occurred (remember the actual voting machines were not on the internet) were hacked. That is actually UNTRUE! Any IT person who monitors network traffic can go into the networks logs to check for any “suspicious” network traffic. So this expert is not much of an expert in IT and is just blowing hot air.

    • I feel sorry for your employer because what ever they’re paying you it’s way to much. A voting machine doesn’t have to be online to be hacked.

      • i feel sorry for you, Anonymous. You don’t even know the difference between “to” and “too,” much less undersstand the complexity of computer networks at a sophisticated level.

  14. Geesh…. let them have a recount if it makes them happy. If Trump had lost a lot of people would be screaming rigged!! rigged!! The hypocrisy is alarming.

  15. The sense I have is outright supposition without a real shred of actual evidence. Also if MI is all paper ballots – what is the argument. Therefore, I have a thought for J. Alex Halderman and these other experts that provided the foundation for this and putting the country through this extended torment. If the denial of 30,000 votes in Wisconsin or even 15,000 votes does not materialize…that these experts be fired from their posts as clearly they don’t know how to evaluate data.

    • Speaking of giving money to charity, maybe the Trump Foundation might consider doing the same. Of course, I suppose another life-size, full-length portrait of Trump would be nice too.

  16. I doubt that a new recount will change the outcome of this election. However Stein has the same right as candidate as Trump to ask for an recount. Anyway was Trump who first question the integrity of our democratic process by saying that the system was corrupted

  17. The only problem with the Wisconsin petition for recount is it does not address the fact the Wisconsin voting machines are not connected to the internet. Hacking is a false narrative. Recount is a “Fake Story”!

    • I just replied to a so-called IT expert above. a voting machine doesn’t have be connected to the internet to be hacked. you guys steady diet of bs is never ending.

  18. Guess what she is going to miss the next 2 deadlines, The Committee will not consider them until paper work is refilled and money received!

    • Why are you so afraid, Joe if she makes the deadlines? Afraid if Hillary’s popular vote increases it will further trample Trump’s ego and disrupt the fantasyland where Trumpeterrs reside?

  19. Generally Third Party candidates take votes away from Republicans in most elections. Was she hired by Hillary to run in order to derail Trump, only to have it backfire? That’s the only reason I can see for her to want a recount. I may be way off base but I wouldn’t put it past the Clintons.

    • I suspect so too. Hint is there has been a huge propaganda going on on social networks where quantity of so-called unbiased electors have been hammering for weeks in a robotic way that they were disgusted by the viciousness and ugly personal records of both main candidates and that we should choose neither. I m sure this was a plan to push American voters to stay home or vote for an “eco-clean” third-party candidate..

  20. Let’s do a recount of the Democratic nomination since Bernie Sanders had many, many more votes than Hillary. Fair is fair!

  21. Left out the fact that 3 million illegals have been estimated to have voted, any recount must divulge the actual number and be subtracted by Clinton’s votes.

    • Funny, I haven’t come across that fact . . . can you please provide your source . . . or just another fake news story/wishful thinking for Trump followers?

  22. The recount donations need to be audited thoroughly to determine if there is foreign money influencing the election… by, maybe a Hungarian billionaire?

    • Actually, I think Trump is funding this whole process just to try and make Hillary look bad, as payback for losing the popular vote by more than 2 million votes.

      • I for one is tired of hearing that stupid statement that Hillary won the popular vote by over 2 million. FACT: The reason she won by more than 2 million votes is because she won California by 3 million votes. California does not control the entire USA. This is exactly why we have the electoral college.

        • B, California has not even finished its vote count yet, so it’s hardly because HRC won California that she won the popular vote. The electoral college is an insurance policy that states that otherwise wouldn’t be given the time of day by politicians receive some attention from the candidates, albeit minimal.

    • Foreign money . . . how bout the hundreds of millions of loans Donnie has with foreign banks . . do ya’ think that just might influence his negotiations with those countries?!? Especially with his buddy Steve Bannon, formerly of Goldman Sachs . . . but oh yes, Hillary’s the crook . . . right . . . btw, when did you surrender your intelligence to Heil Trump?

  23. You know this is really ridiculous. Has the DNC forgotten about the video that was released proving that the DNC was busing people into States to frauduantly vote for Hillary and how about plugging people onto Trump rallied to cause chaos . So this attempt to say that the voting machines were missed with is sick because the DNC knows how much they cheated and are so shocked that Hillary didnt win.
    The DNC cheated with Bernie and the did the same with Trump. I am not alone when I say that I am truely sicken by the evil that resides in the DNC and it starts with Hillary. Not to forget the Illigal server she was useing to communicated with the President and others moving all sorts of CLASSIFIED documents putting our countrys security at risk and let’s not forget the 30’000 emails that she deleated after she received a supona demanding them! The DNC are crazy if they the we republicans are going to just sit back and let them try to rate this election apart. LIES, LIES, and more LIES is what the DNC is about.

    • Oh, now the DNC is was right, afterall. Funny, at the time, I seem to remember Trump and his devotees rabidly refuting this very video.

    • . . . The DNC are crazy if they the we republicans are going to just sit back and let them try to rate this election apart. LIES, LIES, and more LIES is what the DNC is about.”

      What are you going to do about it? Get your Klan brethren to shoot us all???? You’d like that, wouldn’t you?

  24. Calling for recounts is part of the democratic process as well as the electoral college. Why should anyone call it a scam? What is a scam is redistricting of electoral districts and winner take all. That really should be looked at. Redistricting can and has manipulated outcomes to favor one party over another. Winner take all encourages this. Some decry popular votes as meaning only a few states matter. The electoral college does the same with only a few states determining the winner. Every vote should count. Larger states really don’t make that much of a difference in a popular vote election. There are really only 3 states with populations over 20M- California, Texas and Florida. 28 states have populations <5M and comprise just 21% of the entire US population.

  25. The recount is a joke. Even more of a joke are the people actually throwing any $$ away towards this. Historically, in the United States, no recount has ever found any more than a 10,000 vote discrepancy. Look up the facts yourself. Doesn’t anyone have work to do in other areas of their life? I haven’t always been happy with presidential election results but MOST of us in this country are busy making a living, raising a family, involved in their churches and community – especially during holidays? Gosh, we wouldn’t have time to even think about asking people to give money toward such a useless time waster. Maybe they are all retired, I don’t know….Yawn!

  26. You want integrity checked, check California where illegals are given driver’s licenses and ID’s weren’t required to vote!

    • No true, angel5151, As a Californian of many elections, I have always had to provide proof, AND sign my name next to my registration. That signature is then compared to my original voter registration on file with my county.

      • There are ten States that give drivers licenses to Illegal Aliens. Not sure if California is one. The Obama Justice department has ruled that you don’t have to show proof of American Citizenship to vote, Therefore a Drivers license is enough to register and then sign it and when your signature is compared then it is the same. Wake up.

  27. Notice Stein is getting more attention than Hitlery? That’s not by accident. Read her resume and she’s a poster child of the new left and no scandals like the Clintons. All the rest of the recount stuff is just a WMDistraction.

    • Honey child, California, the state that brought you the personal computer that allows you to rant away . . . a state that has NO ethnic or racial majority (including white) . . . a state when almost 1 in 3 marriages are bi-marriages is bi-racial, would NEVER vote to elect a xenophobe and a misogynist. It’s one Trump fantasy that ain’t gonna’ happen. THANK GOD!!

  28. How do we know the recount will be fair? Do we just keep counting until we get the election to turn out the way Jill Stein wants?

  29. Maybe you heard Clinton go on and on about accepting the results of the election. Well that is when she thought the election was rigged in her favor and now NOT!

  30. Instead of raising millions of money for a recount, that will not change the outcome, they should use the money to do something charitable and put it to good use. Millions of cancer patients, millions of homeless, millions of hungry children who don’t know where their next meal will come from, but here you are raising money for a recount please you all political persons are all the same just another reason we need Trump.

    • Yeah, Donnie Boy has such been such a paragon of generosity to the less unfortunate–NOT! Get off your high horse . . . Tumps’s not even willing to put his wealth into trust as all the presidents of the last 40+ years for the good of the country. Trump supporters have the balls to attack HRC for her Wall Street ties–oh that’s rich! Trump is all about Trump, first, foremost and always . . . the difference is that those of us who didn’t vote for him already know this . . . those who did vote for him will ultimately be brutally devastated.

  31. Just a note – when I voted, there was a lady sitting in a corner counting mail-in ballots by herself. She joked out it to people standing in line. The ballots were all disorganized and the woman was a republican.

  32. Sooo here is a VERY Simple request and one that the Candidate Jill STein ( the candidate that I voted for ) should absolutely agree to unless of course she is nothing more than a Soros Mole and Hillary Shill…So here is your challenge Jill…provide immediately as a prerequisite for your “recount” effort a list of every donor and their specific donation amount. to your recount effort. (one which raised more in less than a month than your whole campaign did in a year)..EVERY one who voted for this fraud…should be demanding this from her…if She cannot and will not Provide this TRANSPARENCY then we KNOW the extent of her “integrity” and “credibility”…fool me once. shame on you.fool me twice shame on me…It isn’t going to happen and so until Jill Stein provides a donor list with the EXACT DONATION FROM EACH DONOR…i WILL remain CONVINCED THAT JILL STEIN IS A SOROS MOLE AND HILLARY SHILL… THE CHALLENGE IS YOURS Jill Stein…where is your integrity and credibility now? PROVE IT!!!

  33. Sooo I will not be posting on Heavy ever again…what a scam…post cleared and then did NOT post…probably because it was NOT AN msm APPROVED MESSAGE…by the way Truthdig has done a great article regarding “fake news” and “fake” Russian influence…bogus claims just like Jill Stein and obviously this website. GoodBye! Bet this doesn’t post either if it does research Pizzagate/ NY Times CEO, Mark Thompson and his relationship with J. Saville crimes in the United Kingdom…so much for freedom of information and the lst amendment I am taking a screenshot of all of my posts just to compile them for “proof” of censorship. I never swear or use profanity or state anything that cannot be documented. The Saville case in the United Kingdom is easily researched as well as the Flight logs for Jeffery Epstein’s trips to “his private island.” for which he faced factual criminal charges.Sooo. a request for Jill Stein to provide proof of her donors names with the amounts they have contributed to the “recount” effort is not out of line nor is it a request for “fake” news or a “witch Hunt” …it is what one would expect as a “right” provided in the lst Amendment of our constitution as well as the Freedom of Information act…I will be providing copies of this post to various sources because I believe I have been censored for what?????

  34. Well, because of Hillary Clinton and Jill Stein–I am now, as a woman, fully convinced WOMEN should NOT be president! I WILL NEVER VOTE FOR A WOMAN –EVER! They are whiny, pouting LUNATICS when they lose! Stop this bitch–and WHAT THE HELL IS THE MATTER with American’s BRAINS that they would support this idiocy. And IF George Soros is behind it–you’re an old fart, time to freaking DIE! SO SICK OF THIS CRAP!

  35. I have to ask why does Jill Stein even care? She is trying to prove what? She and The Clinton campaign are only delaying the country to come together! I don’t feel like either of these women need to be president and I would vote for neither! LOL! They need to LET IT GO! LET IT GO!