Election Results 2016: Only 112,000 Voters Gave Us President Trump

Many Republicans are supporting Trump in Waukesha and spoke before he took the stage, including former GOP Senator Paul Farrow, Rep. Adam Neylon, Cathy Stepp of the Department of Natural Resources, GOP Party Chair Brad Courtney, and former Sen. Bob Kasten. The Republican Party of Wisconsin took this photo and shared it on Facebook to show the crowd of people who attended his rally in Wisconsin. Clinton hasn't been back to Wisconsin since Bernie beat her in the primary. (Getty)

The Republican Party of Wisconsin took this photo and shared it on Facebook to show the crowd of people who attended a Trump rally in Wisconsin. (Getty)

Hidden within Donald Trump’s historic redrawing of the rust-belt electoral map is this reality: A relatively small number of people handed the election to President-Elect Trump.

In the end, a trio of formerly blue states were most critical to Trump: Wisconsin, Michigan, and Pennsylvania. The combined margin for Trump in those three states, which gave him the electoral college?

Only about 112,158 votes. (As of November 11, the race in Michigan was so close the Associated Press still hasn’t called the race. The same is true in New Hampshire, where Clinton has a slim lead.)

Turnout was down dramatically in one of those three states, Wisconsin, which controversially implemented voter ID for the first time, but more people voted overall in Michigan and Pennsylvania when compared to 2012. In all three states, third-party candidate voting was up (although it can be perilous to guess which candidate, say, Jill Stein voters would have picked if she wasn’t in the race. Maybe they would have stayed home or picked another third-party candidate, not Clinton).

Using Wisconsin as an example again, Trump slightly exceeded Mitt Romney’s totals but Hillary Clinton was well under Barack Obama’s, even though fewer voters cast ballots overall. The difference: Stronger third party voting and turnout.

Forty-three percent of Americans registered to vote did not vote in the presidential election overall.

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Hillary Clinton. (Getty)

The small margin makes other factors more salient, including higher voting tallies for the third party candidates like Jill Stein and Gary Johnson and the first-time implementation of the new voter ID law in Wisconsin. It’s possible Stein and Johnson together may have cost Clinton Florida, Wisconsin, and Michigan. In a macro sense, Trump won the slim margins in the three rust-belt pick ups because he seized western areas of each state that Obama won and are populated by rural, non-college-educated whites with economic angst, who liked his messages on trade, guns, law-and-order, and jobs.

Hillary Clinton failed to turn out the Obama coalition in urban areas. As an example, using Wisconsin again: Turnout was down compared to 2012, and, in Democratic Milwaukee County, 60,000 fewer people voted even though Clinton matched Obama’s percentage of the whole, said WUWM.

Clinton neglected Wisconsin, not campaigning in the state a single time during the general election (even though it’s a purple state with a Republican governor, Legislature, and Attorney General.) She did campaign aggressively in Michigan and Pennsylvania, where polling averages had shown the race was closer. It appears the pollsters didn’t do a good job of predicting the drop in Wisconsin turnout.

The problem for Clinton: The slim margins add up. Even if she somehow found a victory in one of the three states in a recount – say, Michigan – she would still lose the electoral college. If you remove Wisconsin alone from Trump’s column, Trump still wins too. Even if she won two of the three, he wins. Obviously, Trump also needed other important states to win, like Florida, Ohio, Iowa, and North Carolina. But those pick ups were not as surprising; the race had been deadlocked in the polls in those states. The flipping of the three rust-belt states that hadn’t gone Republican since the 1980s was the big election surprise – and the decisive one.

Here’s what you need to know:

The Margin of Victory in the Three States

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Supporters of Republican presidential nominee Donald Trump and his running mate Indiana Governor Mike Pence wait for the start of a campaign rally on November 7, 2016 in Grand Rapids, Michigan. (Getty)

How close was the margin of victory for Trump in each of those three states?

The Michigan race was so close that some news organizations don’t have it definitively added to Trump’s column yet (the same is true of a blue state that Clinton is believed to have won by 2,611 votes, though: New Hampshire). Trump won Michigan by 13,107 votes. In Michigan, a recount is automatically triggered if the margin is under 2,000 votes, but a candidate can still request a recount on the basis of purported fraud or mistake if the margin is higher, The Detroit News said.

The margin in Wisconsin: 27,257 votes.

Third party voting was up from 1% of the total to 7%, but overall turnout and voting was down from 2012. In contrast, Barack Obama defeated Mitt Romney by 205,204 votes.

The margin in Pennsylvania: 71,794 votes (with 99.87% reporting, per the Secretary of State’s office). In Pennsylvania, more people voted in 2016 than in 2012.

David Dulio, of Oakland University, told The Detroit News that Democrats simply didn’t turn out enough people for Clinton in Michigan statewide (not just in the big urban centers), and lacked the Trump voters’ enthusiasm.

“Not enough Democrats showed up. It’s that simple,” he told the newspaper. “The turnout differences from 2012 – the last presidential election – to 2016 are stark. … Less so in Oakland County, but Democrats underperformed in terms of turnout across the state.”


Wisconsin Governor Scott Walker introduces Donald Trump at the beginning of the rally. Upon taking the stage, Trump said that Walker has done a "fantastic job" for the state of Wisconsin. (Getty)

Wisconsin Governor Scott Walker introduces Donald Trump at the beginning of a general election rally. (Getty)

Wisconsin turnout was at a 20-year low for the 2016 presidential election, election officials told Fox 6 Milwaukee, with 66% of voters showing up. Three thousand people voted in the U.S. Senate race but skipped the presidential, said the television station. Statewide turnout was about 70% for the previous two presidential elections, said the TV station.

The highest statewide turnout in Wisconsin was 73% in 1994 and 1960.

The 2016 general election was the first presidential election where Wisconsin voters had to present a Voter ID. The Voter ID controversy has been fraught with tensions for years, as Republicans argued IDs were needed to protect election integrity, and Democrats argued Voter ID was a tactic to suppress the vote of minorities and traditional Democratic constituencies. In September, a federal judge expressed concern about allegations that “DMV personnel in the state have provided incorrect information to people who have applied for voter IDs.” The Nation had reported on those allegations.

There were other factors at work; Trump redrew the Wisconsin map. He flipped a region, the Mississippi River Valley along the western ridge of the state. That area went for Obama, but it’s full of blue-collar white working class voters. This was critical because Trump underperformed Mitt Romney in the state’s populous “WOW” counties – the three affluent Republican counties that ring Milwaukee. The other thing the three blue states have in common is their largely white populations. (Of the three, Michigan is the most diverse, and Wisconsin the least).

In addition, millions of dollars flooded into the state in the final week to boost the candidacy of U.S. Senator Ron Johnson, whose seat was considered critical to Republican control of the U.S. Senate. Trump also had the boosting of a Republican governor, Scott Walker, despite Wisconsin’s presidential blue voting history.

Here’s how the numbers broke down:

Donald Trump 1,409,467
Hillary Clinton 1,382,210
Gary Johnson 106,442
Jill Stein 30,980
Darrell Castle (Constitution) 12,179
Monica Moorehead (Workers’ World) 1,781
Rocky de La Fuente (Independent) 1,561
Total: 2,944,620
Total two party: 2,719,677
Total third party: 205,204 (about 7%)

In contrast, in 2012:
Barack Obama: 1,613,950
Mitt Romney: 1,408,746
Gary Johnson: 20,279
Jill Stein: 7,601
Virgil Goode: 4,908
J. White: 601
G. La Riva: 528
Total: 3,056,613
Total two party: 3,022,696
Total third party: 33,917 (about 1%)

The results are from The New York Times. The Wisconsin State Elections Board only posts county-by-county tallies.

Let’s look at some key county tallies from the state Elections Commission:

Milwaukee County 2016 (the state’s most racially diverse county and a Democratic stronghold):
Trump: 126,091
Clinton: 288,986
Gary Johnson: 13,589
Darrell Castle: 1,261
Jill Stein: 4,534
Monica Moorehead: 312
Rocky De La Fuente: 197
Write-in: 5,728

79.78 2016 Voter turnout (officials had predicted turnout of 85% in Milwaukee County, but it didn’t materialize.)

In contrast, Milwaukee County turnout was about 87% in 2012.

2012: Milwaukee County total votes cast: 492,576
Romney: 154,924
Obama: 332,438
Virgil Goode: 594
Gary Johnson: 2,623
Jill Stein: 1,042
Gloria La Riva 98
Jerry White 78
Ross Anderson 2
Roseann Barr 2

Dane County 2016 (Democratic stronghold):
Trump: 71,270
Clinton: 217,506
(Gary Johnson: 10,544)

2012 Dane County total votes cast:
Total 304,181
Romney: 83,644
Obama: 216,071
(Gary Johnson: 2,294 and Stein 1,335)

2016 Waukesha County (Republican stronghold)
Trump 145,519
Clinton 79,199
(Gary Johnson 8,890)

2012 Waukesha County
Total 243,856
Romney 162,798
Obama 78,779

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Ted Wright holds a foam campaign prop from 1980 of former US President Ronald Reagan prior to the final campaign event of Donald Trump and running mate Mike Pence at Devos Place on November 7, 2016 in Grand Rapids, Michigan. (Getty)

Trump won Michigan by only 13,107 votes, according to the Secretary of State website (The Detroit News says he won by 13,225.)

The Detroit News attributed Trump’s Michigan victory to voters in western Michigan who supported his positions on trade, including white women, but especially white voters overall without college educations. The newspaper said Trump won by 11.5% in Macomb County, whereas Clinton won Oakland County by 8 percent, where she needed to drive up margins with African-American voters in particular.

U.S. Taxpayer Party nominee Darrell Castle earned more votes than the margin of victory in Michigan. However, if you look at that party’s platform, it sounds very conservative and not like likely Clinton voters.

Stein is a different story, of course. She had thousands of votes more than the margin of victory. She also increased her standing in Michigan compared to the previous presidential election, when she was also on the ballot. Libertarian Gary Johnson also dramatically increased his standing compared to 2012, when he was on the Michigan ballot as a write-in.

Bottom line: If enough Stein or Johnson voters had switched for Clinton, Clinton could have won Michigan (but that wouldn’t have been enough to secure the presidency). However, some experts point out you can’t assume how a third party’s candidates voted.

Here’s an interesting finding. Trump received more votes in Michigan than Mitt Romney did. However, Hillary Clinton received fewer votes in Michigan than Barack Obama did. But more people voted in Michigan overall in 2016 than voted in Michigan in 2012. More people voted third party in Michigan in 2016, though, than voted third party in the previous presidential election.

According to the Michigan Secretary of State’s Office, these were the vote totals for the 2016 general election. Notice that third party candidate voting greatly exceeded the final vote margin.

Donald Trump: 2,277,914
Hillary Clinton: 2,264,807
Gary Johnson: (Libertarian) 172,726
Jill Stein: (Green) 51,427 (1%)
Darrell Castle (U.S. Taxpayers): 16,125
Emidio Mimi Stoltysik (Natural Law Party): 2,231

Two major candidate vote total: 4,542,721
Third party vote total: 242,502
Overall vote total: 4,785,223 (5%)

These were the winning vote totals in 2012, according to the Michigan Secretary of State. Obama won by 449,313 votes.

Mitt Romney: 2,115,256
Barack Obama: 2,564,569
Jill Stein (Green): 21,897 votes
Virgil Goode Jr. (U.S. Taxpayers): 16,119
Ross C. Anderson (Natural Law Party): 5,147
Gary Johnson (write-in): 7,774
Stewart Alexander (write-in): 89
Tom Hoefling (write-in): 42
Jerry White (write-in): 68
Two major candidate vote total: 4,679,825
Overall vote total: 4,730,961
Third party vote total: 51,136 (1%)

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Supporters cheer during a rally for Republican candidate President Donald J Trump at Ambridge Area Senior High School on October 10, 2016 in Ambridge, Pennsylvania. This was Trump’s first appearance after the second debate. (Getty)

Unlike Wisconsin where voters also re-elected a Republican Senator and gave Republicans a larger margin in the state Assembly, in Pennsylvania, voters chose Trump while electing three statewide Democrats, said PennLive. Rural counties throughout the state voted for Trump over Clinton, though, and the small margins added up, said the newspaper. Westmoreland County in western Pennsylvania “gave Trump more votes than any other area,” said CBS Local Pittsburgh.

Here are the 2016 election returns in Pennsylvania, per that state’s Secretary of State office:

Donald Trump: 2,894,757
Hillary Clinton: 2,822,963
Gary Johnson: 141,606
Jill Stein: 48,657
Darrell Castle: 20,759
Two party total: 5,717,720
Total third party: 211,022 (3.6%)

Total votes: 5,928,742

(Numbers were updated November 10. 99.87% of the returns were in).

2012 Pennsylvania general election results:
Mitt Romney 2,680,434
Barack Obama 2,990,274
Jill Stein 21,341
Gary Johnson 49,991
Major party total: 5670708
Third party: 71,332 (1.2%)

Total votes: 5,742,040

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  1. There are a number of ways you can attempt to justify the Dem loss during the 2016 election. This article specifically points out that the combined margin of votes in the three states which turned red from a normally blue vote was very small. I also do see you mentioned that the number of people voting for HRC this year was smaller than those who voted for Obama. The combined swing is more remarkable than what you care to admit. Also, since the comments are closed on your other article. I don’t think legal Latinos will be left disenfranchised and “stuck” with Trump. I am a Latino who voted for Trump and I did so not because I am in love with his policies but because the Dem agenda of turning our country into a socialist state does not sit well with me. I also resent the fact that Dems want to give illegals a blank check and roll out the welcome mat when 20+ years ago, when I entered, I had to do everything legally and I followed due process. What remains to be seen is what Trump will do with all this power (Congress is his as well). If he screws this up, he has nobody to blame but himself.

    • I know many people who are now citizens and did it legally. They all agree it is not easy but they followed the rules and did it. Most were very vocal about supporting Trump, not only because how hard it was for them to become citizens and did not appreciate others just going to the front of the line without following rules, but also because they saw what another country was like and appreciated the US and its government.I am surprised ANY naturalized citizens could support open borders and Hillary.

      • open borders, lol.
        nice that so many fools are stuck on false right wing talking points, isn’t it?

        you know who was so worried about immigration?
        right wing nutjobs who think fox is a news network.

        in the real world, there are 1 million FEWER undocumented immigrants than 8 years ago.

        • Yawn. I’ll not to give your post a thought and only then will it seem logical or right. Go burn a store and punch an 80 year old Trump supporter or whatever ever it that you angry hateful liberal do for fun these days.

          • Might be funny if it was not RACIST!
            ANONYMOUS is a benevolent hactivist organization,
            YOU are just a coward hiding behind a keyboard. “O-Killary Trolll” most likely.

            Got yer ass handed to you, Tuesday Night :D

              • Nothing is more racist than the campaigns Democrats conduct every Presidential election since Bill Clinton. You are just upset because Trump fought back. The motto of Democrats is that Republicans hate everyone except rich people. Now Romney and McCain refused to respond to the lies. They took out pie charts and graphs and talked issues and were destroyed. They knew about the lies told about them, but didn’t understand that propaganda is never telling truths that sound good, yet are subtly wrong. It is about telling outright lies where people are forced through political correctness to repeat the lies like they have validity which demoralizes them. Trump knew this and was elected. By the way, there is no national popular vote. Never has been. The federal government doesn’t even tabulate it. The media does. The election though is where candidates enter into 50 state elections plus D.C. to win electoral votes. There is no spillover of votes from one state to the other. So talking about the national popular vote is like talking about which candidate had a better car when the contest is which candidate built a better house; for no candidate entered into a popular vote at the national level. They weren’t even trying for it. Also, no candidate got 50% plus one vote. Even if it was a popular vote contest, it would require a run-off election. Now granted the electoral college gives small states more power per person in the election. So does the Senate in legislative votes in that body. Maybe we should scrap the Senate too.

    • Anonymous @ 3:09 p.m., you’ll find that the states that overwhelmingly voted for Trump, are the most “socialist,” in that that they cannot support themselves. For example, Arkansas, Alabama, annually receive more in Federal money/entitlements/grants–call it what you want, then they pay into the Federal government Guess they’re not bright enough to know that it’s not smart to bite the hand that feeds you. Trump will do what Trump has always done–exclusively protect and associate with the uber wealthy.

      BTW, Anonymous, do you own your own home, a la a mortgage? Do you write your mortgage interest off on your Federal income tax? If you do, then you’re accepting a socialist entitlement. Do you or your kids have Federally-backed school loans? Guess what, another entitlement. I’m all for entitlement reform, but I believe in starting at the top, not the bottom!.

    • Thank you for your well written reasonable comment. Even though I am a strong Hillary supporter I appreciate this so much.

      Like you I also dislike the idea of accepting illegal aliens as citizens since they didn’t go through the proper channels. But the rhetoric of building a wall isn’t very compelling and I find painful. I actually think building a wall would help solve a border crossing problem. However, the only proposals that I’ve been exposed to that seem feasible and practical to me are legalization strategies. I wish I were more educated in this topic so I could give a better response, I’m always hoping to have productive conversations online.

  2. This is ridiculous.

    The popular vote was very close — with less than 0.2% separating Trump and Hillary. Moreover, when all of the counting is finalized in Michigan, Arizona and New Hampshire, Trump will have won 306 electoral votes (Trump’s 31 states to Hillary’s 19).

    I voted for Trump. I’m a well-educated, highly intelligent young white male living in the Silicon Valley. However, my wife also voted for Trump. She is a well-educated, highly intelligent young Mexican American immigrant.

    We did not vote for Trump because we approved of what he said in that decade-old NBC leak. We didn’t approve of some of his rhetoric or the way that idiotic media pundits sensationalized the interpretations of Trump’s words. Rather, we voted for Trump because of the good that we saw in keeping someone like Hillary Clinton out of office. It is our belief — and the belief of more than half of the country (according to exit polls) that the nation had shifted too far to the left.

    The number one issue cited by voters (70%) as having influenced their votes was the impending appointment of a justice to the U.S. Supreme Court. The other important issues cited by voters was the economy (52%), terrorism, illegal immigration and Obamacare. For each of these issues, voters stated that they felt that Trump and the Republican Party actually were better to handle them.

    The election wasn’t about open-ended change or anti-establishment fervor produced by angst in American voters. After all, many congressional seats were up for grabs — most of them held by Republicans — and the Republicans retained nearly all of them.

    So what caused this outcome?

    The fact that Trump is viewed as unfavorable by 60% of Americans (in the last two polls before the election) either indicates that the polls were flawed (with an improper pool of respondents selected) OR that the election was as much about REJECTING Hillary Clinton and her policy goals as it was the election of Donald Trump and his policy goals.

    I would point out that Libertarian candidate Gary Johnson pulled a significant number of votes in many of the battleground states. Most (but not all) of those would normally have trended toward the Republican candidate. Jill Stein pulled votes as well and most (but not all) of those would have normally trended toward the Democratic Party’s candidate. I did the math in which I added 80% of the vote that went to Johnson to Trump and 20% to Hillary. I added 100% of Stein’s votes to Hillary.

    If these votes would have been cast as such in the election, Trump would have won SIX additional state — including Nevada, New Hampshire, New Mexico, Colorado, Maine and Minnesota — giving him a total of 343 electoral votes and a significant advantage in the popular vote (Trump winning 37 states to Hillary’s 13).

      • But voting for someone who constantly has been caught lying, defended a rapist, and married one is smart? Liberals can’t even use a brain they have attached to their bodies without looking to the media.

        • You must be mistaken . . .Trump didn’t marry a rapist . . . he married an immigrant who repeatedly posed nude for men’s magazines, violated the terms of her initial visa,(for which, if known, would have been thrown out of the country), then lied when she later applied for a work visa (a felony). Plus, any candidate that has multiple bankruptcies running casinos no less, has a campaign manager currently being investigated for his deals in Russia, has a class-action suit against his “so-called” university, is a documented racist, and a self-admitted rapist who has no history of helping those less fortunate (say, as in the Gates Foundation) is surely too stupid and morally bankrupt to be president of anything.

          BTW, Anonymous, if Trump cared so much about the working people, why did he choose to have his entire clothing line manufactured overseas?.

          • Trump didn’t win because he was the greatest candidate, He won because his opponent was seen to have more flaws then he did. Hillary was so arrogant that she never bothered to campaign in Wisconsin and just expected them to blindly follow her. The polls commonly used likely voters to determine there results. Likely voters were those that voted in the last election. There were two big flaws in this. In the last election we had a black man running for president. Many blacks were inspired by this and came out to vote. In 2016 they had a elderly white women as the democratic nominee. Not the same enthusiasm among black voters so many who voted last election, likely voters, did not bother to vote. Also, many middle income workers feeling left out in Obama’s economy came out to vote. Many had not voted in the last election so they were not considered likely voters. I think Hillary’s comments about putting many coal miners out of work was just enough to turn the tide in Pennsylvania. Her comments on the basket of deplorables also helped fire up conservatives. I was not a Trump supporter but felt Hillary would be worse. Both my kids could not vote for Hillary or Trump so they both voted for third party candidates. Much of the support for third party candidates was really just a vote against Hillary and Trump. Trump did not win this election, Hillary lost this election.

      • I did not vote for either HRC or DT, but this posting by BUNION is a classic elitist snark that the poor losers and their media sycophants are spouting, just making it harder for the Country
        to begin resolving our differences and moving forward.!

        • `You are 100% correct. And most unAmerican. The thing that is supposed to be so unique about the American system is win or lose we lick our wounds and carry on. I’m not thrilled by DT, but he won. My duty now, as an American, is to accept that fact and encourage my members in both houses of Congress to support the bills and initiatives that I believe are positive for the country and resist the ones that are negative on the country. I really get tired of the whining. I got tired of it when Obama won and I’m tired of it now. But MY GOD it is much worse now! The only conclusion I can come to is it’s because the media didn’t get their way.

          • The MEDIA didn’t get its way–are you freekin’ kidding me? Do you listen to Limbaugh and his ilk, read Breitbart, or watch Fox News–the most watched news station in America? They were so pro-Donald, I was embarrassed for them. Sean Hannity alone created the Church of Trump, and then installed himself as its pastor. Actually, since Hillary won the popular vote, its THE PEOPLE who didn’t get there way!!! Deal in facts supersouthpaw, and not in wishful fantasies.

            • Hey idiot, look at the map of United States and all the counties that Trump won. He was elected president of the United States not a trio of large cities that are bankrupt. Get over this stupid majority vote. Go cry somewhere else if you don’t like it.

      • Wow! Thanks for that assessment! I do see the diplomas — with various “honors” seals — handing on my office wall and I guess that I am might not be as “highly educated” as you suggest. Perhaps it can be quantified by my standardized test scores, GPA’s (undergraduate and post-graduate) and the degrees. Then again, I also feel that I am highly intelligent. That can be quantified by the various intelligence tests that I’ve taken that indicate an extremely high level of intelligence.

        BTW, this isn’t a “boast.” It is a rebuttal.

    • Hillary was unacceptable but a racist, sexist, xenophobic, islamophobic, serial liar who has no grasp of foreign policy or domestic policy, and has been accused of both rape and fraud was the guy you voted for? Well, how clever of you. You are an idiot.

    • the economy, lol – and you call yourself educated.

      economists looked at trump’s policies, and those policies would create massive debt (bush tax cuts on steroids), recession and kill millions of jobs.
      well done.

      • Is that the best that you can do, Patrick? You say “economists” looked at Trump’s policies. Are you saying that ALL economists looked at his policies and made this assessment? I hope not. I know several at Stanford University who thought that Trump’s policies made more sense than Hillary Clinton’s.

    • Here’s one other little bit of information for those out there that are confused about how or why Americans voted as they did. I checked the numbers according to current vote count by county, parish, town, and borough election results. Trump won 3,368 counties, boroughs, towns, and parishes. Clinton won 1,126 counties, boroughs, towns, and parishes. Looking at the county vote Clinton only won the majority of the county vote in seven of the states she carried. Trump won the rest of the state’s county-by-county vote, even in the states that Clinton won. It is a sign that rural America is tired of being ignored and dominated politically by the centers of mass population. New York City, Boston, Chicago, Los Angeles, and many others have controlled national elections for far too long. Some articles I have read in recent days are even suggesting that the Electoral College should scrap the outcome of the whole election and put Clinton in the Whitehouse. That would be a major mistake, just as changing the institiution of the Electoral College in favor of a popular vote would be a major mistake. I am a registered Democrat, but I am an American first and have always voted my conscience in elections. I could not give Clinton my vote. Not that I am enthralled with Trump, or the tone of his politics, but it was a choice between letting the country slide further and further down the slippery path leading to socialism, or trying to right the ship of this great republic.

      • Very well stated. I agree that doing away with the Electoral College would be WRONG. People seem to not understand that the United States is a union of STATES and we are all citizens via our states. THAT is why there is an Electoral College we voice our choice to our state then our state, casts it’s votes according to how the people of that state spoke. This ensures states with small populations still have a certain voice in our federal government – every state needs to have some representation in who heads the Executive Branch. Most of the small states are farm states, (if not most,l MANY are – they feed us and they are every bit as important as the populous states (and I live in NYC … so it’s not like I’m defending my own territory.)

        • “supersouthpaw, i passed my high school Government class, and college Poli Sci classes, so, unlike Trumpanzees, I don’t need the condescending electoral college lecture. I already know how the electoral college works.

          • It’s the people that voted for Hillary that are whining and don’t seem to understand why we have an electoral college or how it works. (And why do you assume I was talking to YOU? I’m really getting sick of getting called out by people who are coming here late to the game and then are not sharp enough to realize my comments were here before they started trolling.
            ) – btw, please don’t assume I voted for Trump. And for a supposed college grad, name calling is extremely immature.

        • I actually disagree that doing away with the elector college would be wrong. I think the way we do representation in congress is how we give voice to every state in federal government. The president should represent the people. This includes presidents like Bill Clinton who grew up in very rural areas. These people represent America just like all of us. I think democracy often works well in making decisions. However, turning a decision that could easily be a democratic decision into a representative decision actually redistributes and warps power where it isn’t necessary to do so. If we count every vote, it seems most fair to me to give every vote the same weight. My vote should be worth the same as everybody else’s.

          I am coming from the perspective of a voter in a state where I might argue my vote for president doesn’t count. However, if we were to switch to a popular vote system, I wouldn’t feel as disenfranchised in this regard. And I truly do feel disenfranchised in this regard. The president’s job is to look out for the best interests of the country as a whole. This includes small states. The president can do this even if the majority of his or her supporters are not from small states. The reverse is also true.

          • Anon. if you are really in Michigan, look North. If we go to a Provincial scheme and only have a weak central Gov’t like up in Cannuck Land. then we won’t need any electoral college.

          • The electoral college is there for a reason, to give the less populace states a voice. If we went by popular vote there would be very little reason to pay attention to the less populated states. You would do better focusing on the population centers. All the campaigning would occur in California, New York city area, Chicago and a few other major metropolitan areas. The rural areas, that are the bread basket of the country, would have little voice. The founding fathers were astute enough to realize this and set up the electoral college as a way to overcome these tendencies.

      • I do agree with your analysis of the counties votes. However, it is not new. It has always been like that for at least since 2000. I also agree whole heartedly, I should say passionately with you on the electoral college system. As much as I am disappointed with Donald Trump’s victory, I will never subscribe to the dismantling of a system that adequately took account of the unique nature of the formation of the union and provide a way for the voices of smaller members of the union to be aired

      • You hit the nail right on the head! !! And now maybe we will find out how crooked Obama is. I know Obama is sending 10 Somalis to Tallahassee a month. That’s Muslims are killing Christian kind. I know they believe in raping children. Take time to research it.

    • As a resident of western Michigan who voted for Johnson, I am reasonably certain that if I only had a choice of Clinton and Trump I would have simply skipped that race. My wife, who voted for Stein, most likely would have done the same thing. It is unwise to try and make any assumptions about what 3rd party voters would do. Speaking only for myself, I refuse to vote for someone that I don’t actually support as president. The “lesser of two evils” position is foolish in my opinion. It and “vote trading” feel an awful lot like people trying to game the system rather than simply voting for someone they actually support.

      Something that was mostly glossed over was that in 2012, The Libertarian Party failed to have a presidential candidate on the ballot; Johnson was write-in only. That accounts for part of the increase this election.

      • I based this upon responses from exit polls. Johnson went from less than a million votes to more than 4.5 million votes. The responses in the exit polls indicate that the overwhelming majority of those votes typically vote Republican. That doesn’t mean that EVERY vote would have gone to a Republican candidate, but a preponderance of them.

    • Unfortunately hindsight (and the next election) is 20/20. The reality is the Dems lost more than Trump won. They leveraged a deeply flawed strategy of waiting for him self -implode (one that didn’t work in the primaries). We all know Trump had a vague / ridiculous platform – but honestly, Clinton didn’t really detail her plans either. She never felt the need to because she assumed (as everyone else did) there was no way she could loose to this guy. She basically stoped trying. She alienated and ignored people who resonated with Bernie’s message. There was +6.1M votes for neither candidate. To put that in prospective, Obama won by about 5M [1M for other] in ’12 and 8M [1.8m for other] in ’08. That was +6.1M wasted opportunities. Probably only needed 5% of that.

      She didnt loose because many voted against her; She lost a ton of Dems simply didn’t vote for her. They either stayed home or voted ‘other’. People didn’t love her to begin with, and the scandals (including what the DNC did to Bernie) didn’t do her any favors.

      Moral of the story: Address everyone in elections. Don’t assume that any demographic/geographic/psychographic group is a ‘sure’ thing.

      I am scared for this country. Not because of Trump himself, but because he won a job he’s clearly not qualified for. And he is going to surround himself with people who do not have the interest for everyone at heart. We can survive the little things. But the Supreme Court appointees is what’s really gonna hurt us in the long run.

      • Think about this: The “worst case scenario” for liberals is that Trump will nominate someone almost identical to the guy who he would replace. In other words, a Scalia would replace a Scalia. Things (in the court) would go the way that they have for most of the last two decades.

    • ” . . . I’m a well-educated, highly intelligent young white male living in the Silicon Valley. However, my wife also voted for Trump. She is a well-educated, highly intelligent young Mexican American immigrant . . .” Good to know you, like Donnie, have a very high opinion of yourself! What a surprise!

      • Thanks. It isn’t that I have a “very high opinion” of myself — but a realistic one. Most of the anti-Trump crowd dismisses his supporters as ignorant rednecks and women-hating white men. My wife and I are young, highly intelligent and well educated. My wife is an immigrant from Mexico who became a citizen just as she began college.

        We certainly negate the stereotype that is oft-repeated by Hillary supporters.

    • I’m not sure what point you’re trying to make. I agree you might normally think a libertarian candidate would pull more support from a republican. However, in this case, I disagree with your Johnson split, there’s evidence to suggest that a slight majority of Johnson voters would pick Hillary over Donald. For example, in July said: “Right now, pollsters that include Johnson and, less frequently, Stein are showing Clinton with a slightly smaller lead than pollsters that test only Drumpf and Clinton.”

      You just sound like an educated Republican, and you make a good point that stereotypes are just that, stereotypes.

      I came to this article because I’m frustrated with the result, and as a Democrat am frustrated that for a second time in my 16 years of following politics a Democrat won the popular vote, but lost the election. This year in particular, I felt like my vote didn’t matter towards the election and it should have in such a close race. What reason are you reading this article? Do you follow liberal leaning media like I follow conservative media?

      • Actually, exit polls that indicated roughly 8-in-10 of Gary Johnson’s voters stated that they tend to vote Republican in presidential elections. This is also seen in the total votes that Johnson received. He ran four years ago and pulled 1.2 Million votes yet earned 4.5 Million votes in 2016. Hillary, on the other hand, received roughly the same number of popular votes that Barack Obama received in 2012 (with a deficit of a mere 500k votes). If you determine where those Gary Johnson votes came from and cross tabulate those with the votes from each state, it is easy to see that the overwhelming bulk of Johnson’s votes would have trended Republican. The problem with the pollsters has always been poor sampling.

        Moreover, I think that the bigger trend is much more important. The popular vote will always vary depending upon the popularity of a particular candidate in particular states motivated to show up. There is a reason why states put various propositions on the ballots — and one reasons is to help draw voters to the polls. I live in California and the voter’s guide that accompanied my mail-in ballot was over 200 PAGES in length! It took a while to go through the various propositions. Moreover, states like California also had senate seats up for grabs — and this almost always increases overall turnout.

        I do follow media from both the left and the right. I think that we can learn quite a bit from one another — because no one is “all” right or “all” wrong.

        I do think that the media miscalculated both Trump and his supporters too.

    • You are absolutely correct!
      I am a mathematician and I also did the calculations with similar results.
      These supporters of Hillary, a woman who should be tried in Federal Court for her actions, are only good at one thing. Calling people names and saying that they are not intelligent.
      My IQ is 167 and I scored a perfect 1500 on my SATs.
      You can call me and other Trump supporters unintelligent until you turn blue in the face but it won’t mean a thing.
      WE saw through her and her agenda to continue Obama’s failed legacy.
      That, plus the fact that she ISN’T black is why she lost the Electoral Vote count.
      The Electoral College was created because WE ARE A REPUBLIC, NOT a Democracy. The Founders wanted the STATES to have the final say in who is elected President. These were intelligent men who knew that this was the RIGHT thing to do to keep America from becoming like other countries that subjugate their people.

  3. So Pat Sajak won in Wisconsin due to voter suppression but in Pennsylvania I can confirm Sajak got 100% of the white trash vote.

  4. Those 112,000 votes were on top of 6,500,000+ cast in those three states and over 59,000,000 cast nationwide. It took all of those votes to name Trump as the next President of the United States, not the 112,000 differential.

  5. I’m not sure if you realized your mistake after you published the article but you cannot compare 2012 numbers that are finalized with 2016 numbers that are not finalized. Even novice journalists know this, but then again, the same mistake was made in 2012.

  6. You realize it take weeks to get the final votes tallied and added to the total vote. They thought Romney got less votes then McCain in 2012. Wrong. Votes for Trump less than Romney, again, Wrong. Democrats are very uninformed. You can either keep getting your head patted by the Democratic Establishment or break from their chains. You were called superpredators by the women you voted for…wake up sheeple

    • Your assumption is that Bernies backers voted forTrump or did not vote at all (or perhaps voted for Stein). If that is your rationale for HRC’s defeat then you have drunk the Kool-ade. Get over it and work to get your agenda into law. Or, better yet run for public office instead of using social media to make these nasty unfounded by any- bi or non partisan analyses.

  7. I think it’s quite humorous you attempt to sweep Gary Johnson’s votes over to Hillary’s count. Most Libertarians would vote Republican NOT Democrat, so you can get that fantasy out of your head now – and since Gary Johnson received MANY more votes than did Jill Stein, it would have made Trumps victory even larger. AND PLEASE, do NOT confuse me with a Trump supporter, I abhor the man I just hate abhor LAZY dishonest mental games even more. What’s even sadder is I’m seeing so many sites attempting to persuade readers into believing this. I AM a LIBERTARIAN I know MANY Libertarians and only 3 to 4 percent would have voted for Hillary over Trump. NOW, In the circles I travel that MAY be low so even if you triple it to 9-12% that still would NOT have been enough to put Hillary over the top. So stop your LAZY, DISHONEST, WISHFUL thinking. Like it or not, we are stuck with Trump for at least 4 years. AND on the bright side, the Clinton dynasty of scandals is no more.

    • Uh uh. I have done the numbers as many have and allocated no more than half of the INCREASE in voters of each candidate. That portion of Stein and Johnson voters alone was greater than the shortfall in each state. Then start counting county by county. Johnson got 10, 544 votes in Dane County alone, where Madison is located, compared to a few hundred in 2012.

      We have a problem here. How many TP voters are having buyer’s remorse?

      • “Buyer’s remorse”? ARE you KIDDING ME? This is one of the most import decisions we are asked to make. When you walk into that voting booth and you pull that lever it should be a well thought out decision. It affects the lives of over 300 million people, it isn’t a bottle of ketchup. If people are having “buyer’s remorse” then they have themselves to blame. They should have walked into that voting booth well informed, and carefully weighed out the consequences of their actions. Voting is a duty. It is a responsibility. However,IMO, if you don’t take it seriously – and you’re not well educated about the candidates, AND you haven’t seriously considered the consequences of your vote and you don’t give that responsibility the honor it deserves, the country is better off if you don’t vote.

  8. Anyone blaming 3rd parties for this election is totally assuming that the votes hard earned by the candidates were Clinton’s by default. Democracy doesn’t work that way. Hillary was in no way entitled to any vote she did not earn herself. So counting 3rd party votes as lost Clinton votes is total BS. You should be freakin happy Johnson sapped away enough votes from trump to help Hillary gain a win.

  9. I don’t see how Hillary can possibly have more votes than Trump other than if she’s found a way to fix the numbers, such as with the voting machine tallies perhaps. Trump won by a landslide.

    The electors a state is given is determined largely by population, and Trump has 27 electors to Hillary’s 14 left over after the election was won. And Trump was already ahead of Hillary by like a million votes when he won. So, how does Hillary exceed him in popular votes when she’s only got half the electors on her side that Trump has got? It doesn’t make any sense.

    I think that machine percentages thing where a program can use floating point values to manipulate the outcome of the voting machine tallies might actually be real, and she’s doing that so that she can get prepared to win in the next four years. She wants to paint Trump as illegitimate, so behind the scenes, she’s paying people to go out and lead idiots into violent riots while in public she’s pretending to concede gracefully.

    • I think that there have been voting place irregularities that favored Hillary over Donald. For example there were reports of paper ballots handed out with stray marks notably filled in spots for Democrats. There have been reports of voting machines with screens that came up preset with Democratic selections. There has even been a report that someone selecting Republicans saw the screen flip over to Democrat selections a second later. Add to this (only my conjecture so far) people voting more than once, some having been bussed from one voting place to another to register on the spot.

      So I think that Donald’s margin was really greater than what shows.

      • Absolutely. Don’t forget the dead. One van load of illegals caught voting multiple times with fake identification and voter registration cards, and stolen social security numbers. “I am voting for Hillary Clinton many times.” Multiply that by many.

    • I think it is because of the big (blue) states like California. California’s population is huge and most of it went for

    • Electoral College numbers are House of Reps PLUS Senate. The House is 100% population as you suggest, but each state gets an additional two votes. That is how the popular vote can support the loser.

  10. Your math is as bad as Eli Watkins’ over at CNN. If we simply give MI to Clinton, as it stands Trump would have 290 electoral college votes. FL and PA aren’t as close as you imply, but let’s assume that ALL of Jill Stein’s voters go to Clinton and Gary Johnson voters split 50/50 (unlikely, but this scenario favors Clinton). Trump STILL wins FL (by 56k votes) and PA (by 20k votes) and only loses WI (by 3700 votes) to give him 280 electoral college votes and he is STILL POTUS-elect.

    Spin all you like, Gary Johnson did not cause a Trump presidency.

  11. This is a very stupid article. We could also say if it weren’t for 100,000 votes in certain other states, Trump would have a landslide of 340 Electoral votes. Again – The liberal press insults your intelligence

  12. This article is so stupid. Those 112000 votes only gave him the electoral college because of EVERYWHERE ELSE THAT HE WON. If all he had was those 112,000 votes and 3 states, he would’ve lost badly

  13. If you take away the dead votes, the illegals, the rigged machines, the felons, and the dirty precincts destroying Republican ballots, Trump won the popular vote by a landslide as well.

  14. The truth is Donald Trump was an extremely defeatable candidate. The problem is the democratic party was so unbelievably smug and arrogant that they would easily win that they treated November 8th like a given and a formality, or even a coronation or passing of the baton. It comes as no surprise that they are now embarassed and ashamed and lashing out at Trump supporters in anger as uneducated sexists and racists as a whole(or “list of deplorables” verbatim). Seems to me the Liberal reaction is just as prejudice and stereyotypical as the rhetoric and ideals they scold the Trump Supporters for. Trump was an extremely vulnerable candidate, the democratic party has nobody to blame but themselves and their own arrogance for this unlikely and embarassing loss. Frankly the way most liberal media outlets and supporters are lashing out and whining about it is an obscene and legendary display of sore losing and childishness. Regroup and try again perhaps a little more organized and humble 4 years from now?

  15. The so-called liberals (that aren’t) can gnash their teeth all they want. Hillary lost because she didn’t get enough Electoral College votes. The people that didnt vote for her and didnt vote for Trump are not at fault. The candidates are at fault. If they had been more convincing they would have gotten more votes. They didn’t. Time to rethink your positions. If the Democrats and Republicans keep alienating people, 3rd party voting will continue to grow.

  16. Here is an eye opener for you. If you leave out the vote in both California and New York that both candidates received according to the latest figures I could find, Donald Trump beat Hillary Clinton by 3,817,247 votes. The call for the electors to vote against the popular vote of their state would make sense if you want voters from those two states to decide the election based on the popular vote, but would you not disenfranchise those 3.8 million voters and the states that voted for him if you did so? Or because of there much larger populations should we just bow down and accept that they are the rulers of the country because of their populations and have the rest of the states do whatever California and New York want because they supposedly know better than the rest of us. Read your history. You will find many reasons that the founders put in an electoral college, this type of election was just one of them. Deal with it, or pass an amendment to the Constitution. Just remember there are unintended ramifications to everything. Changing the electoral college could lead to two states calling the shots for the entire country. If you can live with that, go for it.

    • What you are saying is that all votes shouldn’t be weighted equally. I think you are probably biased. I would admit that there may be unintended consequences. However, I don’t think the idea of using the popular vote should be poo pooed so easily.

  17. So close, maybe some election rigging may account for the win/loss. Like stolen emails studied by Republicans to win a few votes (protectors of the constitutional right to privacy). Or like the FBI non-investigation of maybe “new” emails that did not mean anything, Or like the push to stop the purported rigging of the election through voter role purging, id laws, etc. We must ask who stole the emails that rigged the election, who announced the non-issue of further investigation, or who rigged the election through rig prevention. A popular vote win and slim margins in electoral votes will de-legitimize the presidency in a more serious way than any birther story or hanging chad because the election was rigged for the one who spoke most of rigged elections(a voter suppression strategy as serious as id laws and illegal purging).

  18. This is a dumb article. Almost 7 million people in those three states and 60 million nationwide voted for Trump. There are a multitude of ways to break down the election results, but saying it came down to 112,000 people is just an example of another journalist trying to get headlines and people stirred up. The election was performed in accordance with the current laws. If you want to change the electoral college it has to be done constitutionally not by protesting.

  19. The new Voter ID laws in Wisconsin had NOTHING to do with the low turnout here…you’re forgetting that up until the Nov. 11th election Wisconsin was a Cruz & Sanders state. Without Sanders the left-wingnuts voted for Clinton, the educated, established Democrats realized in the final month they really didn’t want her to be the head of their party, the Independents didn’t show up at all, the Right-wingnuts went for Trump and JUST enough established Republicans who showed up to vote for Johnston (who beat Trump’s numbers) is what put him over the top.

    If you really want to do an analysis…analyze the Republican Senate Races in all the swing states and see if the Republican incumbents out voted Trump as Johnston did here.

  20. Your reasoning is seriously flawed. By your logic, we are just 33,000 emails short of convicting Hillary of high treason during a time of war!

  21. You people just DON’T GET IT , do you ? WE…Jill Stein voters…would NEVER EVER have voted for either TRUMP OR CLINTON. Why ? Because we vote according to our conscience, moral compass and integrity. If Jill hadn’t been in the race… YES, we would have sat home and not voted at all. We DO NOT VOTE FOR A PARTY. PERIOD. We are virtually all INDEPENDENTS / Dem Socialists / Greens, etc. We are NOT Dems or Reps for a REASON. Those parties are NOT ‘entitled’ to our votes, nor did they ‘earn’ out votes. We are not ‘obligated’ to vote for any person or party whose actions / record / ideology is reprehensible to us and is contradictory to our values. We will NOT support someone who does not represent us or support us. So you call can just STOP with this BULLSHIT. We do not have to justify ourselves to you or anyone else. We owe NOTHING to YOU, YOUR party or YOUR candidate. If your party chooses a corrupt candidate that can’t win with YOUR votes…that is YOUR problem. Not ours. WE voted for the person WE feel represents US. WE have piece of mind for doing the right thing. WE have NO blood on our hands. WE will never regret voting our values, morals and ethics and you losers will NEVER make us feel guilty for doing so. SO… you can take your petty ‘vote shaming’ and shove it.

  22. The Electorate (antiquated) College once again ROBBED the people of America and the world the true winner of this election!! This is a fact. 400,000 people were robbed of their vote due to the EC. Eliminating the EC is long, long overdue. On Dec. 19th Trump should kindly leave the stage because Hillary won. Just as Gore won against Bush years ago. Trump is right about ONE thing and one thing only, it is a “rigged” system AGAINST the VOTER! One person. One vote. The end. This is 2016 folks. Not the 1700s.

    • If you figure in all the fraudulent votes for hellary ,TRUMP WON by a far larger number than 115,000.Voter ID’s in all 50 states is the only way to ensure a true voter can cast a vote.

  23. Poor characterization of the voter ID law in Wisconsin. The voter ID laws was in affect for the primaries as well and yielded the highest turn out since 1972. Just eat the fact that the top candidates on the tickets for the dems, and reps were both horrible and it drove down participation.

  24. If you figure in all the fraudulent votes for hellary ,TRUMP WON by a far larger number than 115,000.Voter ID’s in all 50 states is the only way to ensure a true voter can cast a vote.

  25. No…the millions of people who voted for Obama but did not vote for Clinton gave us Donald Trump. Clinton’s inability to inspire Democrats to vote for her gave us Donald Trump.

  26. Where is Obama? Shouldn’t he say something now? The media is misleading the people, the country is in riot, the president pretends he didn’t see anything, after 8 years of Obama’s term, the country becomes a joke to the world.

    • she lost. not sure how fair it was with the comey interference. but anyway, it would have actually only taken about 62,000 voters combined in those 3 states to change their mind and the election would have been hers. but regardless, the people spoke and this is the result. i guess we should accept it, but the controversies should still be debated. not going to be a healthy four years for the country, that i can tell you, but we’ll see what happens. she did not talk to the people she most needed in this election and that is the absolute last word.

  27. The point of this post being? Trump won, I don’t think he cares if it was 112000 votes or one. The earth didn’t stop spinning, the sky didn’t fall. People please, wait until he is actually in the white house before you start diatribes about the person. You might be surprised or your prophecies might eventuate. Lets see what happens hey.

  28. Liberals can’t seem to muster enough emotional maturity to accept the loss of their candidate. Hillary’s campaign was centered on name calling and insults, and her sore losers are continuing that same strategy. If insanity is doing the same twice but expecting different results, Hillary’s sycophants are insane. Their failed strategy will all but ensure their continued failure in 2018/2020. SCOTUS was the brass ring and it’s now in our hands. No pure Democracy has ever succeeded and with Republicans holding a majority of State legislations, the Electoral College won’t be going anywhere anytime soon. American First, all others get in line. When permitted to enter, assimilate.