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Clinton vs. Trump Popular Vote: Are Recounts Still Possible in Any States?

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Hillary Clinton’s lead in the popular vote continues to grow to historic dimensions as states count outstanding absentee and provisional ballots. However, it’s unlikely at this point that recounts could change the Electoral College margin that cost Clinton the presidency, although one major state (Michigan) still hasn’t been called.

That’s true even though multiple battleground states had close margins (see a list below).

That means the United States is almost certainly not going to see a repeat of past contentious presidential recount battles. Instead, Clinton supporters are banking on a last-ditch, improbable scenario known as “Faithless Electors” – trying to get electors to switch to Clinton even in states that bind them to that state’s popular vote victor. The Electoral College meets in December.

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Demonstrators gather outside the Edward Roybal Federal Building to protest against Trump’s election. (Getty)

As of November 14, Clinton had won the popular vote by a margin of 0.7% (compared to the 3.9% Democratic popular vote edge in 2012). Donald Trump is president elect because he prevailed in the Electoral College by a margin that is wide but not very deep (290 to 232 as of November 15).

The problem for Clinton – who had 61,781,190 popular votes compared to 60,850,366 to Trump as of November 14, according to the National Popular Vote Tracker created by Dave Wasserman/Cook Political Report – is that Trump won a series of battleground states by close margins, propelling him to a large lead in electoral votes. If the race had boiled down to one or two close states, a recount would be a feasible option. But even if Clinton knocked off a state (a monumental task at this point), Trump still has enough electoral votes to win.

Indeed, the popular vote was very narrow in some states. Here are the states with the closest margins, according to the National Popular Vote Tracker, as well as Secretary of State offices:

1. New Hampshire: Clinton +2,701
2. Michigan: Trump +13,080
3. Maine: Clinton +19,995
4. Nevada: Clinton +26,434
5. Wisconsin: Trump +27,257
6. Minnesota: Clinton +44,470
7. Pennsylvania: Trump +68,236
8. Arizona: Trump +92,245

Politico has a rundown of the recount rules in the above battleground states. In some of the states, the recount window has passed, although it remains an option in other states. However, once margins get in the tens of thousands, the chances of a recount prevailing would be very remote. There’s no evidence either campaign is gearing up for a recount, and Hillary Clinton has already publicly conceded the race.

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In Michigan, worth 16 electoral votes (not enough to change the Electoral College victor by itself at this point), an automatic recount is triggered if one candidate’s lead is less than 2,000 votes, which isn’t the case here. Candidates can still request a recount once the final vote count is certified. That won’t happen until all results are canvassed (reviewed) at the local level. It’s not clear whether Clinton will request one, since winning Michigan is not enough to give her the Electoral College victory anyway. The AP has not called the Michigan race because it’s still not clear whether she will ask for a recount, which can’t be done until the canvassing is over.

In New Hampshire, the Trump campaign had until November 14 to ask for a recount, but chose not to do so, said the BBC, causing the Associated Press to finally call that race for Clinton.

The country remembers the historic recount in Florida during Bush vs. Gore, but there is not an automatic recount under Florida law unless the final margin is less than half a percentage point. Trump won Florida by 1.2%, according to the most recent tallies.

Clinton drove up the popular vote edge largely in two states. She has 1,779,506 more votes than Trump in New York, and 2,883,196 more in California, the popular vote tracker says. That means Clinton has more than a 4.6 million edge in the popular vote in just those two states; her overall popular vote edge is just over 930,000 popular votes. There are still millions of unprocessed ballots being counted in California. Although that’s expected to increase Clinton’s popular vote numbers, it won’t give her a win in the Electoral College either since that state is already in her column.

The closest race in the 2016 election was in New Hampshire. The battleground state with the largest popular vote margin was in Ohio, which Trump won.

The other battleground states had greater than 100,000-vote margins.

Clinton now has the fourth highest popular vote margin in U.S. history (after Obama’s two victories and George W. Bush), and Trump has the 5th (he’s now passed Mitt Romney as the winner of the most popular votes of any Republican nominee in history except for George W. Bush).

Here are other historic popular vote totals:

2012, according to 270toWin
Barack Obama 65,446,032
Mitt Romney 60,589,084

2008, per 270toWin
Barack Obama 69,456,897
John McCain 59,934,814

2004, per 270toWin
George W. Bush 62,039,073
John Kerry 59,027,478

See more past election popular vote totals here.

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50 comments

  1. All her voters are illegals….criminals…or dead. Why would she want a recount?? It would show just how corrupto that loser is.

    • “Illegals” would not be capable or able to vote and to be fair, she won the popular vote. Thanks to the system of the electoral college, mind you, the same one that Trump was making a hissy fit over in 2012 when Obama was selected for a second term and in October not long ago, which is how he won. If we had a straight up democracy it’d go straight to it.

      • are you joking me … what rock are you living under …there has been proof the illegals and the dead are voting… and this is how Bernie lost to her… you know if you cant see the light right in front of your eyes then the light bulb in the brain is burnt out

      • REALLY! It is a fact that millions of illegals and dead voted for Hitlery. I suppose, since you libloons do not want a Democratic Republic as it does not suit mob rule, then I suggest we split the country in half by how you vote. You libs pay for all your social stuff, all of your black lives matter terrorism, your illegals and libs in prison. We will pay for our few white collar criminals…. Ha.

    • wow, you are stupid. Illegals can not vote you dumb piece of shit. Maybe you should go back to school before you before you are allowed to open your mouth

      • I guess you didn’t read the story about the guy in Seattle who killed all those people in the mall. They discovered that he was illegal and had voted in the last three presidential races because Seattle does not check id. They go on the “honors system.” Also, regardless of how much you disagree with what someone says, you are just showing your own immaturity by calling them names.

      • You are right, illegals cant vote. Having said that, no one checks to see if a person who register is qualified to do so. Since no one checks, its no problem to register and vote. So, he isnt stupid. Its almost illegal to carry a concealed weapon in Los Angeles, but no one would be accused of being stupid if they said there are plenty of criminal who do so.

    • Donald Trump could be the very first president to be impeached within his first 100 days. I would be against that since that would put Pence president, who in spite of the differences I have with this person, he is far more stable emotionally and not as nutty and unfit as Trump is. Trump has no idea what the hell he is doing but you have to admire his approach. Talk as stupid as you can; make promises that are as ridiculous as you can; have no policies only sound-bytes; refuse to show your taxes since that would reveal that you are a con with much to hide and you will get enough stupid dumb and uneducated voters to turn out for you to win.

      • Trump is not nutty…. it was all an act just to get a rise out of the pc crowd and liberals…. he hit the Democrat party with their own medicine.

    • Spoken like a true Trump voter: Ignorant, racist, sexist and xenophobic. Let’s get a recount and show how TrumpTheCon was helped out by the filthy Russians.

      • All of you liberals are immature cry babies! You throw tantrums and call people names when they don,t agree with you!
        Let us know when your 5th birthday comes around so we adults can send you our well wishes!

      • Joe, i voted for Trump. I’m a pediatric anesthesiologist married to a black woman from South Africa. Am I a “true Trump voter…”? Idiot.

      • You as a Democrat are the Ignorant, racist, sexist, xenophobic one. I don’t understand what the purpose is of supporting all of those causes… Let’s face it, there are more liberal loser then there are conservative ones.

  2. No. he’s you’re president now. It was Hillary Clinton that said and I quote, “Donald trump not accepting the results of the election is A threat to our democracy.” But Donald trump won the election… with all of the riots, protests, assaults on trump supporters, and this post of not accepting the results of the election, is that not a threat towards our democracy? Or is it ok because trump won and Hillary is your hero. Do your research, Stop being biased, and give him a chance.

      • Absolutely nothing….. just as we did when BHO won his two elections…. we just accepted it and moved on…. we didn’t riot like idiots….. who has time for that???? That’s right, liberal losers.

  3. Recounts are not possible because Hillary Clinton quite the election. She basically forfeit any further action when she called up Trump and said, you won, I concede.

  4. The electoral college is a fair system. With it every state has a voice. Without it 3 states could determine the president. Effectively taking away 85 percent of the state’s voices.what do you think that would do to a nation if 3 states could beat the whole nation?

    • Under the electoral college, the election is decided by 3-4 battleground states, so how is that any different? For the last 20 years, Ohio and Florida have essentially decided who the President gets to be, but somehow that’s OK? Florida, the state where people get high and eat other people’s faces off, gets to decide who the President is?

    • The electoral college electors are capped. Once the population gets big enough, you get no more electors. That means that low population states’ electors count for more than high population states than California. Math says that the electoral college is definitely not fair and balanced.

  5. Life is tough, If you think otherwise you live in a land of make believe. Trump is our new President elect! The office will make or break you one way or the other. It is my opinion that his ego will serve this Country well. Trump is not a person that has a history of losing at anything. His personality will push him to perform at the highest level. He will push to prove he has the tools to make America Great Again just to prove his promises. Give it a chance…I think you will be pleased.

  6. Stop the none sense people. It’sover,Trump’s supportrer, or Hillary’s supporter, Trump is a winner “right” now he’s not outside the field, he’s going to be inside the oval office, let see how he’s going to lead the word. That’s the challenge we all have to watch, if he will be capable to handle the loads of sands by the shore including gravels. Find out what’s that mean.

    • While I am willing to concede he won the election I am not willing to give him a chance. No one should give bigotry and hatred a chance.

  7. 3 million illegal voters can’t be wrong lol. Minus their corruption at the polls it would appear without a doubt the legal popular vote goes to Trump. Now stop crying over your god the government losing and get off the government tit. Get a job, do something constructive with your loser lives and you’ll soon find that you don’t need to wait for a handout instead you’ll be able to give a hand up. Those of us that have done nothing but work and pay our taxes to allow you to sit and protest are tired of your entitlement arses doing nothing but using up resources better left to pay off the deficit that your god the government has run up under the Odumba administrations disastrous spending spree on the lazy!

  8. Well if the Obama adm don’t issue a deep investigation and recounts the ballots they will be doing a big mistake, giving the unique characteristic of this election. They need to be 100% that ”foreign forces” that previously hacked the national security did not interfered

  9. Illegal immigrants are not allowed to vote… but 3million of them voted anyway! No shit they’re not allowed to vote. Its called election fraud

  10. Requesting a recount when there is no evidence of corruption or mechanical problems and after conceding the race would cement the hatred America already has for liberals.

  11. lies. lies lies.. only way you are saying clinton won popular vote is due to over 4 million dead people voted. over 3 million illegals voted and over 65 k pardoned inmates voted.. All Illegal. Thus Clinton lost popular and electoral!

  12. Considering that three states have been caught with voting machines when intended for Trump were automatically been vectored to Clinton. How come this hasn’t been challenged? In the first Obama election a local TV station news team were doing interviews and a homeless man admitted that he had registered under 73 names for a carton of cigarettes. Also there were a significant amount of “suspicious” dead voters. Nothing was ever done about it showing how much the GOP really cared. This is chicanery and we need a voting system that is exactly the same in all 50 states (Obama said 53). We need verification of the voter, who they are when they register. Perhaps, a finger print would be a good deal. California governor Brown invited illegals in his state to VOTE! And I am sure they have.

  13. Funny, the democrats sabotaged their best candidate as far as defeating Trump goes, BERNIE by the electoral college and the democrats super pacs, everyone knew the popular vote was not the deciding fact or Trump would have spent all the time in Ca.
    In Ca anyone can vote, no ID required! And the 5 million illegals that were given a CDL were automatically registered to vote!
    Remove the illegal votes estimated to be between 3 million to 5 million

  14. The idea that the democrats talk about disenfranchising millions of Americans by corrupting the electoral college shows how dishonest they are and that they have no ethics. They are advocating usurping the presidency by changing the way the system has worked for over 200 years. They have no shame and think it is ok to do this. It is a fact that on Jan. 6 the newly elected congress will meet and either approve and accept the electoral vote or reject it. It only takes one congressman and one senator to reject it and the election then goes to the congress. Either the democrats advocating for this do not know the American Presidency election process or are just trying to keep people worked up and divided. I believe the only thing they are accomplishing with the recounts and electoral corruption is to insure President Trump will have a super majority in congress in 2 years. It would seem they should have learned a lesson from the dishonesty and corruption of the election and primaries that just occurred.

  15. If Barack Obama would have not put more people out of work and losing 14 million companies to leave the country then he had the grin on his face to raise taxes 4 times in his 8 year administration. Then he tried to start a government program called Obama Don’t care where you are forced with his health care shoved down our throats. And if we don’t have it he would force us to pay a fine as we have no choices to choose our doctors that does not except crap that charges 75% out of your pockets as the premiums I watch jobs leave the country Gm motors Sprint Nabisco Apple Motorola Harley Davidson parts Ford Imperial Sugar plant almost Carrier ac and heating but Donald Trump said No. Obama I Think it was stupid to give the Obama phones out to the poor people you already forced the companies out of there city and state what did you give it to the people for to call Donald Trump to tweet please help!!!! this non citizen president that has no American values as we watched him try to destroy our country. I hear theres a golf course in your birth place in Kenya as the American meltdown happened but you instead go to golf course as somebody’s head is coming off well we can’t do nothing about terrorist ISIS creating them is one thing stopping them is another. Swing in the sand again. oh are you still interviewing me? I hope they don’t investigate Hillary and I Obama cause we will serve prison time without a key treason scandals I don’t think trump will pardon us.